DH told me that the only folks that matter are T2 and above...due to their strong leadership to ensure SG stays competitive...anyone else is easily replaceable.
I could not believe my ears and how detach they are...but seeing the inaction from SG Mgt....i believe that is how the upper SG mgt thinks as a whole.
I started job hunt after hearing that comment...and after 2 months found a better paying job.
I really feel sorry for those who remain if SG mgt continues this path....
According to management, it’s the workers who are uncompetitive, and adding to the untenable cost structure. But management is super competitive.
PUI!!!
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Your logic is absolutely spot on
Anyway let the company axe the good hardworking very critical sales and frontliners the more the faster the better lah coz we are trash for them
I believe these axed people will be more highly deserved valued and appreciated elsewhere
Let company continue to keep the highly prized valuable fanciful high cost high maintenance administrators presenters and story tellers the longer the better
Yes this company is self charting heading leading itself to slow but surely inevitable death...RIP soon em
Actually you just need more sales and front line pple working in the market. We don’t need L2s and above . These layers are basically administrators . They generate tons of work for reporting upwards but actually they don’t have no much economics contribution. They are high cost , high maintenance, playing politics and taking time away from ground troops ( to generate presentations and data for them to wordsmith and report upward- ie doing the song and dance) from working the market. Unfortunately , the company is stupid enough to axe the worker bees and keep these groups of story tellers around… what do u think is the ending of this story ? The inevitable death…..
Plus there’s way too many people working in F&L. You have a manager, then director and so many different layers which I’m not sure where the value is. All just for selling petrol and lubricants. And after so many going to Shopee, we still have way too many layers of management left. I don’t know what they do; other than to report up to Ian. And basically parroting what’s already said by the Gods in Houston/Dallas. Oh, F&L also contributed local LCMs, but the current one is hopeless!
Even without COVID, it's only a matter of time before the company goes into its slow decline. We're always shown charts of how oil and gas will remain an integral part of the energy mix for decades, but the truth is even if volumes don't shrink overnight, the key drivers of profitability are disappearing. Fossil fuels once had a monopoly on energy, but margins are going to become razor thin as alternatives become way cheaper and developed countries race to net zero. It's time to go gently into that good night.
Folks , many of the young ones still don’t get it? The company will be in “ slow steaming “ mode sailing into sun set . If such is the end game, what bench strength, career development, developing younger generation are we talking about? Basically we will be on survival mode, until the day the market obsolete us ( can u see the train coming fast?) . I will be d-mb wood to stay around to be used as a Swiss kn--e by all these older mgrs and execs to do all the dirty works till the time I dig myself deep in this Shole that I can’t keep my relevance outside EM… I finally found a ticket of exit will be throwing my letter soon. I have decided short term pain over long term gain. The Mgmt needs to be answerable for the state of the company today … It’s sad , once a great company…. But lost its plot …. I lost the pride of wearing its logo over my chest these days , I know it’s time to go! Take care , those left behind . May peace be with u .
@4Jskd+16zEvLP3
How could you have suspected?
What made you think that way?
Were you present in the PA process, when your supervisor actually read out your 2 minute summary and purposely left out segments - to keep those credits for herself ?
Another fake, who is trying to stir sh!t in this forum?
CL27 was many years back.
@4Jeek+16zEvLP3
You a DH (or higher)?
Has to be … in order to be present in a CL26/27 ranking / PA process, to be able to “see” ICs compared against SLSs !!!
Wah, you very daring to come here comment hor.
Or perhaps you are a fake?
I suspect that I had a boss who did not read out everything I stated in my PDS because she wanted to use some of those things I did for herself. Wondering if this is common?
I haven’t seen a case where the subordinate is ranked higher than his/her boss in the ranking or PA process, and I have sat through many sessions.
With TMTS, the intention to keep people in the position longer, like 5 yrs, including leaders, advisors, managers, all the move and promotion will slowdown. And also those hipo looking and waiting to be expatriate to US, chance also lower, at slower pace, why need to send out exposure, the manager will be here 5yrs, not like last time, 2-3yr. Big picture is all move will slowdown, for personal wealth and young folks, it make sense to look out alternatives.
By the time a NON hi-po reaches CL26/27, how would he/she be assessed in the PA, against the SLSs (where many are hi-pos)?
These former are the individual contributors, holding positions like complex, advisors, EMRE, lead coordinators, anchors, etc.
How will they be “ranked” against the SLSs who are in the management ladder? Will there really be no unconscious bias against the ICs during the PA comparison process?
How would you rank a CL26 Complex, against his/her own CL26 SLS supervisor, in the same PA cohort?
Can we ever have a direct subordinate assessed to be in a PA category HIGHER than his/her own boss?
The previous hi-pos who were sent for overseas assignment have returned to SG and occupied the good positions, leaving no chance for the new hi pos.
Then many lateral movement will happen but no actual development of people. Simply becoz there is no such openings.
Crashing against each other, thru PIP.
Interesting.
There’s no career planning for anyone except for the hi-po. So wish you all the very best in your job search. Unless you find joy in becoming the statistic for NSI or PIP when you are older.
I thought I was alone when I was told that I had to rotate to other BU/BT for career development. To me, it is just extending my contract to a job while the other chosen ones are developed.
Thanks for the perspective
@4Ipif+16zEvLP3
@4Iynj+16zEvLP3 Moral of the story is to constantly seek for career progression opportunities outside of EM. This is especially true for new hires.
No one owes you a career and when sh-t hits the fan, you are on your own, that is what we learnt since the pandemic started.
Based on your ranking (now PA) results for the first many years on the job, they will deem you as management, or technical ladder.
Once slotted into either pathway, only the high-po ones in management ladder will have a career development plan made out for them, as they get promoted to become the future managers.
For the rest of us, we can LL s-u-c-k thumb and get kicked around to fill lower MPT positions. For this lot, we will flounder in the sea of CL25 and below for quite a while, with a glass ceiling of CL27 as you age into your 50s. There is really no plan for you, Jose.
It is 2am now and I can't sleep. I absolutely regret joining this place. No career path is planned, just rotate around to be used till you get PIP.
It's hard to believe the big Corp will turnaround the decade trend of lower return and lower profit margin, cutting cost alone won't get there, the only way to get there is everyone devote time and mind but now the moral is very low, no loyalty and trust, regardless you are in Houston or SG. almost exact same thing same topic about management, forced ranking, lack of transparency,PIP, lack of visionary leaders, moving jobs to KLTC, BTC, ppl leaving... the moral seems even lower in HQ. so how to turn around this big ship ? Lack of motivation and innovation. Why everything becomes so superficial ? So how does all these transformation work out ? HR has no clue what about organization behavior and how to help leaders.. poor HR management
Poking around in this forum for what?! Already heard a lot of feedback but apparently nothing is done. Please focus on your day job, dear execs, either in kissing Darren’s a-s or in improving the lives of Singaporean workers. Otherwise, a waste of time.
Poking around in this forum for what?! Already heard a lot of feedback but apparently nothing is done. Please focus on your day job, dear execs, either in kissing Darren’s a-s or in improving the lives of Singaporean workers. Otherwise, a waste of time.
it took me 15 years to get from CL 23 to CL 25... pay is $9k, early 40s... middle to top third ranking. local U grad, non engineer. I can easily get similar job outside at higher pay, so I don't have anxiety about the current situation... but I'm lazy to hustle, interview/ linkedin etc. I'm a workhorse and good at what I do, and I always teach others without reservation, even if they are in GBC to replace me. to me this job is for me to earn money and learn things, so I don't wish to become selfish and bitter. I saved $1m+ already, despite my pay increasing so slowly from 3k to 9k in 15 years. capitalism is all the same lah...so I don't hate on EM. one day when it's my time I will go happily and lightly. one good thing about being under-appreciated and short-changed... my identity and self worth is not tied to EM. I don't even care if they put me in NSI... cos whatever lah, it's their loss if I leave. I really like the people I met in EM... many smart, kind and humble folks, in SG and overseas
You’ll be surprised that even some CL 30s are also peeping and poking into this forum!
Just to have their ears on the ground.
Anonymously, of course.
Only a CL27 will know and there’s not many CL27 in this forum sharing this kind of information on this forum. They are too busy sucking up.
What is salary range for CL23, 24, 25, 26
I was ranked middle for many years (from below avg to above avg) and it took me 7 years to get to CL25, with the 7th year finally being in top third.
It’s not going to get any better with a weak LCM at the helm.
As long as you had been ranked bottom third, your career is over. Do yourself a favour and find another job. Hoping that things will get better, generally doesn’t work in EM.
First 2 years of your career is very important. And if you are not identified, you might as well move on. Good luck!
@4Ixoy+16zEvLP3
No wonder you decided to leave lah.
Anyways, a good move, regardless
I left the company a few years back, was only just promoted to CL24 at 5 year mark despite being rank at top third every year. So, either everyone is too optimistic or I've been shortchanged hahaha
@4Icfv+16zEvLP3 After 5 years and you are only CL23?! You are lagging behind your peers. You will know what I mean in the coming years.
young scholars are exiting, more to come!
those people are high flyer or mobil scholars, don't compare
Join at 22 la..
Above average performer here.. same, still cl23 after 5 years at age 30
Cannot be lah! You joined at CL23, worked for 5 years, and now still it CL23?
POFMA!
Below average performer here. Still at 23 CL at 30 after working for 5 years.