IT, Finance and Commercial are expected to layoff ~300 people in 2 waves starting with IT in early Q3 2025. A majority of operational support for IT will be moved to outsourced providers. Major IT restructuring will be done using the “spans and layers” concept suggested by BCG to reduce management layers.
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@7d0 You think your time isn’t coming? Does not matter the business line. The company as a whole is sunk. What you are saying is like having brand new tires on a vehicle that doesn’t run. NAO/PAO/Spec Chem didn’t bail anyone out. Did you miss the part about layoffs? If historical mattered no one would be leaving. In this instance it looks as though the majority is. The one fact remains. We work in a company that has made horrible decisions, and it is costing people their jobs. Evidence of these terrible decisions lay in the choice of leadership teams at all plants.
Out of curiosity if Spec Chem is so great why is it when their managers transfer the equivalent elsewhere is a superintendent role?
@7b7 There’s always been a lot of talk about how critical Borger is to P66. Reality check P66 gets by just fine when Borger is down which is often. They’ve got other outlets for sulfur. Is it less convenient? Sure. Is it a showstopper? Not even close.
What’s really going on is this: the relationship between Borger and the refinery is wearing thin. The way things are run over there isn’t doing anyone any favors, and it’s pushing the refinery to quietly explore other options. That’s already happening. The internal war between operations and the business at Borger is causing more damage than good.
From the inside, it feels like leadership lost the plot years ago. Big money went to HQ upgrades and splashy projects, while core sites like Borger were left running on yesterday’s budgets and broken processes. Now we’re watching good people even in critical roles walk out the door or get cut.
It’s not just Borger. The whole system is feeling it. The story being sold at the top doesn’t match what’s happening on the ground.
If you’re still betting everything on the idea that “they have to have us,” you’re not paying attention.
@7b7 Borger’s single digit ROCE numbers are hardly anything to write home about and have long been a drag on the overall ROCE for the Spec Chem business unit. Your biggest flex is that it’s actually positive right now, not that you’re bailing anyone out. Like bailing water from the Titanic with a spoon.
@7b6 Borger or Spec Chem is one of the groups bailing out the pellet heads. They are positive cash flow, near budget, and have decent return on capital employed. If you “shut” down Borger that will have a huge impact on P66 next door as they won’t have outlet for sulfur. Before you get all big and mighty, make sure you know what you’re talking about first!
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Good question… why are you so triggered? That level of defensiveness in anonymous forum screams guilt and wrongdoing. Perhaps the TCEQ should look into the matter deeper. But I assume that Borger is on the chopping block for shutting down in the near future anyway. The revenue is too low, the cost is too high, the risk is too great and the performance is too poor to think it will make it much longer, and since the last two attempts to sell it failed, the math is pretty clear.
@7ag It’s true. The absolute ineptitude and incompetence surrounding controlling the incident was astounding. The steps taken to pass blame and cover up the seriousness of the incident are d-mbfounding. Over 50,000 lbs of toxic chemical released to the atmosphere while management stood around scratching their heads and having a measuring contest for days. THEN, unbelievably, the group responsible for the incident took a day to team build while the active leak was ongoing because “it was already planned”. A leak that could have been prevented by that same supervisor by simply requiring that the transfer was safely completed before letting shippers go home for the day. But instead of being a leader, the spineless weasel put the entire community in danger without any care or accountability for his lack of action.
@7a9 show the proof of the largest MESH release at Borger? Ask the employees how long it went on.
Look at the incident report, the employee doing the incident investigation knew enough to make copies because LT changed it.
It went on long enough that the shipping superintendent took a team building day off of during it to get stuck in an escape room and come back the next day and still went on.
How about the managers that said activate the PMV while it was frozen then did not understand why it was twisted and couldn’t close it?
Then the blame game about how the refinery is the one who sent water over without their knowledge. When it was our supervisors who said send it.
They put many lives at risk, and it was downplayed from
What it was.
My question is why does that trigger you so bad?
@7aa My, my, my… HR is getting so angry now. It’s unbecoming really.
@7ab you are definitely not one of the intelligent ones. No one likes sore loosers. Just move on.
@7a6 OMG I wish there was a laughing emoji to put on your comment- you’re not smart- you’re the ignorant one- and I have an idea as to who this is since your name has been mentioned on here and you’re the sc-m! Here’s to hoping you get yours!
@79x *you’re … if you’re going to insult someone’s intelligence, make sure you do it intelligently.
@6xm quit starting cr-p!!! Let it go and go get a job.
@6xg do you have proof? Sounds like he said she said. Show the proof or STFUP
@74a i support the CIO, CFO, CEO and all the smart people left at the company. I have followed most most of them before they earned their titles. I am wasting my time replying to your ignorant post but you are trash, stupid, incompetent. I bet you dont have a clue what those upper management position even mean.
There is a shortage of HVAC people. You should go to training school and “may be”, you might get a job!!!
@78d your an id--t, not HR here
@OP LTIM is going to take your jobs.
@78s It's too bad there's not more attention put on the quality of of a worker's skills and productivity and less on their job titles. (This is why we feel like numbers rather than human beings!) Some contractors are better at their jobs than some untouchable "leaders." (Anytime you work somewhere where HR insists you substitute the word "manager" for "leader," you got problems. "Leader" is earned.)
@78d all departments! Some will be managing two sites and/or supporting. They are letting go of more contractors as well.
@76h Thanks HR.. but no one here is going to tell you how to fix your mess. It’s already a horrible working environment and will be until HR is beheaded.
Will there be an impact of lay offs for admin assistants, OSC, community relations, and coordinators?
@76h Better start looking for another job, but don’t hate each other.
@74x what would you have the people do that stayed or got to keep there jobs? We are all co workers this is business. We can’t hate each other and create a horrible work environment
@765 Hilarious and true
I was gonna say no way this is true until I read:
A “Commercial Transformation” group is being created to further cut people.
This sounds exactly like something cpc would come up with: “justify laying people off so we can justify building a team that justifies laying people off”
@761 yes. And more this Friday and in 2 weeks from Friday- they’ve already been told
@74x Was anyone laid off from HR? Sorry if someone's already said.
@75z and what about central engineering, ehs&s, and gpe, etc
@75m Hey, Oracle. What about other overhead departments like Legal & Public Affairs and Sustainability?
@75w just for you to respond to this to say it won’t happen acknowledges it’s on spot. Thanks HR
@75m maybe 20 percent of what you stated will happen.
Well, at the end of the day, they won’t be able to operate if they have mass exodus of people.
As an insider with intimate knowledge of what’s coming it’s really hard for me to sleep at night knowing what’s coming….so I need to at least to give warning for people. Here’s what I know:
- Manufacturing is next…dead weight will be cut…it’s going to be bad and will be the next phase
- A/P, A/R, Customer Service, MA’s, Finance, Credit, etc will be outsourced or offshored. You will be required to train your replacement to get your severance
- A “Commercial Transformation” group is being created to further cut people.
- Most likely combining NAO/PAO with Spec Chem and eliminating Spec Chem GM, Spec Chem Business Manager and Product Managers
- Aromatics will be absorbed into Petchem or Specialties, eliminating Business Manager and a Product Manager
- PE will reshuffle their deck and eliminate a few marketing managers and get rid of their Business Manager and Commercial Manager
- PE international and distributor sales at HQ will be reduced
- The Borger truck fleet will be outsourced
- Supply Chain/Procurement will start another round of reorganization eliminating positions to consolidate functions
- Finally the best part…upper management will be affected. Supply Chain GM, Specialties VP, and Manufacturing VP will all be let go after they’ve completed their reorganizations. They don’t think they’re on the chopping block, but they are.
This will all take place from September to October if CPChem doesn’t hit the $300M…
NO ONE IS SAFE! If I was you, I would start trying to get out now. Withdrawal your pension and move on from this sinking ship.
This was once a great company but they let engineers who thought they understood business convince the board to build two more world scale cr--kers in an oversupplied market. CPChem is about to learn that you should keep engineers as engineers and let the business trained people make the decisions. But as we all know, engineers know best even when comes to business. Now we’re all going to the price.
@74a and yet our illustrious CIO sitting at a table in the lunch room laughing with her cronies like she doesn’t have a care in the world! Oh wait ….. she doesn’t- it’s everyone else that is worried! Our company is so embarrassing right now and HR you can downvote all you want we are past caring
@704 What else to expect when the CIO has no technical background but an accounting degree? Should have been CFO with that accounting degree. But wait not qualified enough to become CFO, so let me take CIO position. And let my cronies hire outsiders with fake resumes that never saw ERP in their life and make them architects. Keep promoting friends, family members even if they are d-mb as rock. Those LTI d-mbers cant construct a sentence but are running the show. All this on the IT leadership.
The cost of lost productivity.
The cost of damaged team morale.
The cost of recruiting and training a replacement.
But here's the biggest cost of all:
The loss of someone who genuinely cared about your business.
Stop thinking of your people as an expense.
They are your most valuable (and important) investment.
@722 It is heartbreaking to come to terms with a layoff and to witness the greed that has taken root in American society. Companies that were built by Americans three or four generations ago are now outsourcing so that the rich can get richer! These great American companies are selling out for cheap labor, even though they were built on American sweat, tears, and sacrifices! It feels sickening to know that the wealthy are focused on getting richer at the expense of everyone else. It's especially frustrating when a majority of the board members are likely American. These companies are outsourcing their data for the almighty dollar.
@70m I do agree with one thing you said … I truly believe that a company that would violate so many laws and regulations and so many of their own rules would truly attempt to violate our basic right to free speech as well.
@71k The cold, callous tone deaf insensitivity is astounding. For a company that lauds themselves as “caring by choice” leading you to believe that they’re different because they care. They have definitively and irrevocably finally shown everyone what that tag line really means. They could choose to care but it also means that they can choose not to. They have chosen the latter. And chose to openly rub it in everyone’s faces as they are dismissed from the company with extravagant celebrations, unnecessary expenditures, and more meaningless words from tone deaf executives. Truly shameful…
@70m whatever HR. The truth is getting out.
You guys had 3 senators at your HQ unveiling. Then talked about how employees are the backbone of the company and success.
You should be ashamed of your antics. The board should be ashamed. The CEO should’ve said no we won’t celebrate this in the face of what’s coming.
None of the people who caused this are losing their jobs.
The plants are hiring to appease the unions so they can continue to cut people at HQ and on. This is embarrassing. They have job postings right now during a lay off.
Then these careless people did it by teams and made sure to cut us off at the end of the call in case we tried to gather evidence.
At the end of this teams call it’s over.
Those of you moved into new groups. Good luck! Once they understand your task bye bye.
@707 Also off-shoring especially services where CPChem needs immediate help during working hours in our time zone. Off-shoring is the trend in IT and it can work, but it often doesn't.