IT, Finance and Commercial are expected to layoff ~300 people in 2 waves starting with IT in early Q3 2025. A majority of operational support for IT will be moved to outsourced providers. Major IT restructuring will be done using the “spans and layers” concept suggested by BCG to reduce management layers.
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That's a ridiculous assessment of Borger. Every site has issues but Borger keeps hanging in there, making money.
@eed making me wonder if there will be more cuts.
PE has and will always be the primary business. Tell yourself that you are carrying the company for now’. The reality is when specialty is down PE carried it fine. When PE is down specialty can’t carry it. That’s reality and always will be.
2 working days left in q3… when is this second round coming?
@e6t Problem is, they will probably make more money than all of PE this year. Let that sink in a bit…
Reading all of this I’m surprised Bor ger survived at all. All the talk at HQ about their last several plant and operations managers being utter failures as well as their never changing leadership team that has led them right to the edge of extinction.
I was forced to visit once to see if we could help. The shipping department was absolute chaos and the guy in charge only wanted to focus on mechanical reliability instead of running a shipping department.
The whole facility was hanging on by a thread.
Shut it down.
@d16
Once the Chaff has trained their replacements, and the non-Chaff has performed as much Knowledge Transfer as possible to LTI, the non-Chaffs systems login credentials will be removed. Then the non-Chaff becomes Chaff before year end. Going into 2026 the only people remaining will be those tasked with ensuring LTI is reported as successful and it will be part of the EIP. These reports will be spread far and wide to prove layoff of the knowledge base was a great idea. Anyone disagreeing will be in the next round if layoffs and the employees have been put on notice. Caring by Choice now means managing through fear. Yep, this is going to work out just fine, until the many unrecognized crisis's overwhelm the spin.
@cyn The supply chain GM said the quiet part out loud, but those talking points were part of the rationale for the decision-making process for the 1 August round of lay-offs. Now that they've eliminated the "chaff," what's going to be the rationale for the next wave? No more over-50 crowd to kick out. Unless you include the LT.
@ct0… Hello, thank you for your willingness to move forward. Just remember, the EEOC is a federal agency that can request any information it needs. There’s no need to first conduct your own investigation or determine who over 40 was impacted, the EEOC can require CP Chem to provide that directly. Think of the EEOC like OSHA- both are government agencies.
lol is this the same guy who went to the Super Bowl with one of his vendors during CoVID while his employees were dealing with the actual work?! He’s always been about the perks over employees, why is this news to Pru Sack??
What I think is incredible is that this is the first time the Supply GM has been called out in this forum. The man lives to be a puppet master over other people’s lives. Here’s a job you never asked for — what’s that? You turn it down?? You’ll never have a career trajectory like before bc I’m on the TSC and I “put my neck out there for you”.
Supply Chain hasn’t spoken up in this thread because they have lived under a regime of fear for years and they know they are at risk given the market conditions. Just like HR - it’s time to call a spade, a spade.
@ct0 Well, I can say this. An EEOC complaint should be filed against the Supply Chain GM. He had the audacity that tell his employees in a staff meeting that with the upcoming layoffs they should also look at the “human factors” of who their going terminate: he proceeded to say they should target retirement age employees, employees who have spouses with good paying jobs and employees who’s parents may be independently wealthy.
The latter two, ok, you’re a di-k, but the first??? That’s blatantly illegal! Did you not take the training San Chez??? He called out two specific ladies in customer service that are of the retirement age but are rock stars in their jobs. Like really damn good! Yet you, San Chez thinks it’s ok to terminate them because of their age?? Did you ever think that maybe they continue to work for reasons you don’t understand or know and are not ready or able to retire yet? However, you, my friend are making that decision for them?? This isillegal and wrong on so many levels. Did you not pay attention to the training???
San Chez is a part of the TSC and he’s making decisions on people’s livelihoods based off his own biased opinions.
Pru Sak and Bick Ett, you better notice what your underling is coaching to his people to do with the next round of layoffs. This is ILLEGAL and you two are letting him run rouge based on his own biased opinions. This makes you complicit and I don’t need to tell you what that means from a legal perspective . Better start hiding your assets if you let this fool continue…
@ct3 Lots of people at CPChem want to be "in charge," but almost no one's willing to lead.
@cha the ROI on business and digital transformation has obviously been negative. Still with all that money reinvested into manufacturing it’s the mo--ns at the helm that steered this car into the wall. No matter how much we made, reinvested, etc. You cant out work all these bad decisions.
@c75 someone has to file the eeoc complaint. I know I am gathering my info to do so. The more of us that do the more they will see it isn’t just one.
This is a corrupt company that hasn’t behaved responsibly for a long time now. They need to be held accountable.
A Quick look on linked in and looking at years of service will tell you quickly how many were over 40.
@cfn Agreed! What was the ROI on BT/DT?? What did we get out of it? Put that money towards manufacturing to make more product for the business lines!
@ccz Petchem business is simple enough to run on Excel. Time to go back to its core.
@c72 Ok Boomer. Software development company? Are you that stupid? I guess all other S&P 500 companies that have nothing to do with IT are just d-mb for investing in the future. Just become a dinosaur like blockbuster while Netflix passes you by. Good luck finding a job where you can still use a typewriter lol.
@c72 "We were humanely fed, and humanely executed." Well said. That's some cold-hearted sh-t.
@c72 Could you share the actual percentage of the people from your group that were over 40 that were laid off? I'm considering filing an EEOC complaint as none of us waived our right to do so by signing our severance agreement. I'm not looking for any monetary settlement, I just want CPChem to be investigated for discriminatory practices. I'm asking because I was not in the IT group so I can't see their actual percentage, but I can see it in from my business unit and it was definitely age discrimination. Thank you
@c57 We were humanely fed, and humanely executed. What more could you ask for?
The strategy is super clear now if you will just see. They needed to pay back the company for the BT/DT excesses of the last 4 years that brought no recordable dollars saved through pretending CPChem is a software development company rather than a chemical company. I never once heard the word "plastic" used in all that time. Double budgets for years, millions spent in chase of imaginary Value $$$. So, rather than saying it was a failure, it has been spun into this. Layoff the oldest workers, who coincidentally made bigger bucks due to tenure. Everyone over 59 was severed except for 1, who coincidentally NEVER gets into trouble even though many many HR complaints, unethical behaviour. Just one the LT has kinship with. The rib, it seems they needed to create a crisis of confidence because everyone who knew anything were handed their walking papers.
@c3m Can a company lay off employees and retain its "caring by choice" culture? It might be possible if they:
-- Are transparent and truthful about the economic reasons behind the decision, how they are making the decisions about the lay-offs and how they intend to prevent further layoffs
-- Be accountable to employees for their decisions
--Treat employees compassionately -- those being laid off and those keeping their jobs
-- Communicate truthfully and fully with employees and do anything else possible to bring chaos and uncertainty to a close
--Don't lavishly and with fanfare celebrate the opening of a multi-million dollar new building two weeks before the axe falls
Without transparency and communication at the LT/LTE level, an informal grapevine fills the void. It's textbook and predictable.
@c2q…says the person who also visits and comments on the site! 🤣
@c2q Tou sound like a person from PE. Thanks for what you’ve done to the company.
@c2q No, I think the number of hits and comments on this website represent that employees really bought into the “caring by choice” culture and really loved this company. They are heartbroken now finding out it was all a front and a bunch of BS! Pru Sak and all the LT should be ashamed for continuing to preach about culture when you just destroyed it in a few months. It’s always been smoke and mirrors and it’s just now coming to light.
@c16 I think the number of hits on this thread tells a story of people who look at the thread just to see what stupid gossip accusations and whining was posted today- "hey, don bob, grab a coffee and your pitchfork, some idi*t posted on the website!!"
AI is hand picked to replace the finance teams. It makes sense when you look at what finance depts really do. So why outsource IT? You would’ve thought they’d have the highest impact on the future. Wild.
The rumor mill is ela HR and can’t even field got told to stay away from each other at HQ. Who knows what the truth is but it’s bound to have something behind it.
And to the comment below about tons of companies having lay offs. How many just built a brand new facility with pickleball court?
Totally agree with how bad the problem is based on the activity of this site.
what an epic thread
130k views, 500+ replies.
i dont think any thread on thelayoff dot com comes even close
that only tells you about the depth of our problem
@ber absolutely fiction. For CPChems size and status among its peers. This by no means includes DOW, BASF, Monsanto size companies. So what does it matter is CPChem id 1st among its third tier competition? It gets somebody's name on a list of winners somewhere but this vaulted status does absolutely nothing else.
@b82
It’s not just chemicals, many industries doing layoffs.
Performance Pipe ok?
@ber Not a fiction if you win Powerball.
@bdc About a year ago or so, we needed to come up with $600MM in savings to funnel those funds into becoming "the best chemical company in the world." Was that fiction?
A walk with such bricks is doomed to fall apart.
AI is super expensive. And, you don't have the talent to grow your own. What happened to saving $300MM, $450MM and $600MM in 3 years? You cannot do both. No way, no how, not even with the smartest people in the world contracted through LTI for $9 bucks an hour. Y'all should seriously get back in your lanes.
@b86 AI is going to radically change the game. In the past, a company's cost centers were hit hard and profit centers were mostly left intact. But if you can replace workers with AI even in profit centers, those employees will be laid off as well, representing huge savings in loaded labor, training, etc. A company's perception of what job duties can be outsourced or off-shored is also changing. The concept of company loyalty is becoming limited to those on the core leadership team. Companies can we-ponize layoffs with increasing impunity by targeting people who aren't a "good fit" for the culture and those considered to be threats to a culture of worker conformity and subservience. Given that CPChem is a JV owned by powerful parents, even the core leadership team may not have a complete picture of what changes are coming. Nobody can afford to be smug.
@axb Agree...it's not necessary to attack ones choice of college. That is not part of the problem.
@b82 yeah other companies are laying off. Bet they don’t lay off all their IT, commercial , and finance.
They’ll get rid of bloat and offer packages.
These Chevron Phillips team goes against the grain all the time.
Houston, we have a problem…
Today ConocoPhillips says it will lay off up to 25% of its workforce. Add this to 2025 layoffs with Chevron, Lyondell, BP, Shell, Apache, Southwest Key Programs, Inc, Turner Industries, and Equus.
CPChem, just another brick in the wall.