IT, Finance and Commercial are expected to layoff ~300 people in 2 waves starting with IT in early Q3 2025. A majority of operational support for IT will be moved to outsourced providers. Major IT restructuring will be done using the “spans and layers” concept suggested by BCG to reduce management layers.
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@az5 Without a doubt Engineering/Finance/Procurement. Rumor is by end of September. Remember, three areas of focus: outsourcing, centralizing, and collapsing layers (Spans & Layers).
@az5 , this Friday; your department; no soup for you! NEXT.
Anyone know when the next round of layoffs will be and what dept they are going to target next?
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I also agree that Pru Sak is very capable. Hopefully he has the marbles to get rid of people not qualified for their positions and replacing them immediately. The review should start from the top down. The top down review should also include identifying madeup BS roles that do not make or save any money.Everybody knows what roles these are. Some are made up for ex plant managers (or other plant level supervisor roles) as a nice way to tell them this is as high as you are going to make. Meanwhile they continue to milk the cow for years (maybe over a decade) and make ZERO contributions. What a deal. At least they will get to spend a lot of quality time with their family and get to go to all his sons baseball games.
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Great post.
I wonder if the current CIOs salary is high enough to attract qualified top talent. If it is then it's a double shame on you. One for selecting a non qualified individual. And the other for over compensating.
@av7 On the surface, I don't believe you can 100% link incompetence to where someone got a degree. (Hold on, I'm not finished yet.) One of the smartest people I've ever met didn't have a degree. And some of the biggest id--ts and a holes I met at CPChem have degrees from respected and established universities. If you're working full time while rising through the company ranks, you might have fewer options to get a degree. BUT, no matter where anyone in positions of relative power at CPChem matriculated, CPChem is widely accepting of two rather unscrupulous and irresponsible practices: nepotism and putting unqualified or under-qualified employees in positions for which specialized skills and specific training and experience are required. (CPChem laughably calls that "a growth opportunity.") And of course, these issues converge into unqualified friends and relatives being hired or promoted over qualified people for important positions. There are many highly qualified, exceptional, even inspiring people at CPChem, and I've met them, too. But it's the others who are going to destroy the company. Their insecurity, narcissism, greed for power, and, in some cases general aholery, will prevent them from making the tough and unselfish decisions required. There's nothing you as an employee can say or do to help influence these "leaders" to adopt more reputable practices or more professional standards. Zip, zed, zero. They've made the decisions. It's all over but the crying.
I’ve been through several of these with the company and they were really brutal this time. I know of many that would have elected to retire and get the severance and not had to face the negative connotations of being layed off. Even if the result is the same for the company, it is not the same to the employee. This is what was done in the past. This time they didn’t even have the ba--s to do it face to face. It was a non compassionate zoom call!!!! CPChem is not the company I started with, HR and senior management have evolved into arrogant a--holes!
@atr…Wow, University of Phoenix…are you serious?! Now that actually explains a lot. No wonder she acts like such a nice-nasty bully, sounds like it comes from low self-esteem!
@atr Agreed. If there is no change to the LT soon there will be a mutiny on his hands.
It’s time for our illustrious CEO to clean house. He’s losing his biggest asset which is the people who work there and he’s losing sight of that. You lose the experience and people that make your company run, you’re sc--wed! The town hall was a disaster! Your CIO has an accounting degree from Stephen F Austin! Pru Sak, clearly she’s not qualified to run a billion dollar company technology group, yet you put her front and center on the town hall. That was an absolute disaster ! Yet you had the foresight not to put up your SVP HR and Manufacturing lovebirds. You have an HR SVP with a university of phoenix degree. You have a GM of supply chain that never ran a supply chain organization before. C’mon Pru Sak, get more qualified people to run your company as there are thousands of more qualified people than these clowns. These people are bringing the company down and until you actually step up and make a change at the very top, none of the “working people” will trust a thing you say. Pay the money and bring in experts that actually know what they are doing. Otherwise you’re throwing good money for bad decisions. Laying off people for the bad decisions your LT made/make is not a good look. The pressure is on you now Pru Sak to see what kind of leader you are. If you don’t act now, you’ll be on the street with the rest of one’s you laid off as the parents won’t put up with this any longer. I’ll put it into football terms for you, if you’re team su-ks, you get rid of the OC and DC and get better ones. You hope this will work and keep your job. You’re a smart guy Pru Sak, you know what you need to do, so do it. You can’t cut the people doing the actual work and making you money and keep your LT in tact. The optics aren’t good and you know this. Do what’s right Ste Ve
I don’t understand how so many people are surprised by their methods. Threatening by caring isn’t new! It’s exactly how they have always operated. HR has some major skeletons in the closet. Imagine if someone did look at the ageism they practiced, imagine if someone looked into how the compliance lead be th always used a 3rd party to follow up on investigations they wanted leaned a certain way. I wonder how many of the third party lawyers would lie if pulled on the stand? They would either tell a story of how they were hired to prove the point miss compliance made or they would have to say they didn’t send her the findings she reported. If everyone will file complaints with the eeoc, or send this thread to lawyers. They are likely to see some huge issues.
To the employee sick over losing such a great job and friends. You should clearly see it for what it is. Cp chem is so toxic and such a terrible place to be your friends keep their heads down, and one day you’ll go to a new company and you’ll likely say. I forgot it was supposed to be like this.
These guys ran this company into the ground with poor decisions. They are trying to cover their mistakes. They are tossing as many bodies overboard as they can to stop the sinking ship.
I smell lawsuits incoming!
No one is more dangerous to liars than the people willing to tell the truth.
@afk I received my severance today
@ade No, I think it was a simple mistake about who the CEO is, and many posts get things wrong. However, the content of what was said in that post was correct, and you know it. Typing things in these posts come with a lot of risk for both severed and unsevered. It doesn't surprise me that many people don't know who the CEO is vs VP of manufacturing. It's not like they are part of our every day existence, or even care to know who we are either. My 2c.
@afk My info is severance goes out with payroll the next pay cycle, which I read to be mid-month September.
was it communicated when will severance payments be made?
That comment felt like a lot more than EIP, for which we can already see metrics. I bet there is no raise, like Lyondell has already said to their people for 2026.
@acc Are we talking about the townhall? Because unless you attended a different one from what I did virtually, Can Field didn't speak at all. Makes me curious if you even know what you are talking about. Or perhaps, you're a disgruntled former employee from days' past, and are just making cr-p up. Throwing darts to see if any stick...
@OP they have finally succeeded in their goal to zero!
@OP It's been almost a month from the day I was laid off. Losing a job is right up there was death of a spouse in terms of stress. Looks like several of us have been cycling through the stages of grief: denial, bargaining, anger, depression and acceptance. I was proud of my job at CPChem and my bosses told me I was doing a great job. After I got laid off, I even imagined phone conversations where my boss told me it was all a mistake -- they can't do without me. I know — so stupid. But I was engaged in CPChem with a capital E. I've moved past the first stages and cycled back and forth through anger and depression. Now I'm getting close to acceptance. Acceptance of the fact I will have to start over somewhere else. Acceptance of my shocking new financial status. Acceptance that I my identity is not my profession, but that I am capable of skills I hadn't bothered to develop. Acceptance that the work friends I loved working with have moved on from me. I'm metaphorically dead to them now. Acceptance that I am now an outsider. My opinion about anything to do with CPChem is profoundly irrelevant. CPChem would treat me as a very unwelcome guest if I tried to get past security to go to MY desk to work with MY team. The reward of acceptance is detachments. I'm not quite there yet, but I'm working on it. There is life after layoffs, and there is life after CPChem. Maybe our next chapter will be our best chapter. Hope so!
@a9n You say that like you think maybe that isn't going to happen. With a sarcastic tone, like people are just complaining to complain. Im guessing you didn't see the town hall I just watched. Everyone I know is dusting off the resume. People who, 2 years ago, would not have considered going anywhere else are applying everywhere else. CPChem is going to lose a ton of talent, of that I am sure, and it has nothing to do with "hating" this company. To deliver the message they just delivered, "consider yourself told," as if people have not already been working to reduce cost, worried, and stressed. What kind of a leader says that in this moment? I'd almost think the goal was to drive talent away. Maybe it was? Either way, people will leave, because we have zero transparency on the path ahead, and waiting for the other shoe to drop would just be foolish.
@OP In case you didnt notice in the meeting yesterday Can Field spoke for about 10 mins tops. CIO did all the heavy lifting for 45 mins. That tells you whose ring you need to kiss. If you are still employed your new job is to always agree. Never question. Be supportive or you will be eliminated. Welcome to the new company motto "Threatening you is caring about you". As for the BS about being creative and innovative dont fall for it. Those who did exactly that this year and saved the company millions are unemployed now. I wonder how the presidents tax penalties for outsourcing American jobs will impact their big savings? Honestly glad I am gone and moving on to the next chapter.
@a98 The last thing you should be thinking about is EIP. Just try to keep your job!
@a7r if you hate being in this company so much.. why don’t you just quit?? I’m sure you will find a much better company and culture elsewhere. Jeez….
At least the C I O confirmed what we already knew - EIP is gonna SU-K in March!!! Insult to injury.
Town hall was a joke. No meaningful information whatsoever. CIO is pathetic. More systems are needed. And who was the plant in the audience who asked about AI? Give me a break. Panel refused to answer any of the tough questions on the chat board. But have no fear the 15 octogans of whatever the CIO put up will solve our woes. Next year and 2027 will be worse though. So we have that going for us.
@a7r they don’t have a plan man. They just are winging it.
You lost a lot of good people from their way of thinking. Cannot field didn’t even have the ba--s to show up to the meeting. I can’t believe they wouldn’t even force him to show.
Those new units gone, orange gone, junk like Bor gone.
Wow, that town hall was some dark and depressing sh_t! I think everyone already knows how serious the situation is. We've all seen the jobs eliminated and we all know there is more to come. All they did today was make things worse and add more anxiety where plenty already exists. For what? A bunch of words, but nothing was really said. Nothing of value anyway. The company is in bad shape, we knew that already, how about some transparency on the plan? I'm assuming you have one? Even if it is the same lazy way you've been generating money, with layoffs. To sit there and act like they aren't sure what is coming is infuriating. They don't know who will be affected? Give me a break. When they have a townhall like that, all doom and gloom with little to no real information, they've managed to make a bad situation worse. His first concern was to the people that lost thier job? I don't belive that, because if that were true you'd be transparent and give the people still there some truth about what is coming. Instead, you will spring more layoffs on people, which tells me you have zero regard for your employees.
@a7m To care or not to care is by choice. Now you understand how they view you. You are a number. A means to achieve their goals until they see otherwise. Expendable.
IS the culture comment commendable or scripted?
@a73 just a perpetual rumor
@a72 what was the CIO's comment about CPChem losing its culture?
Is Cp Chem sale to Chevron coming true soon?
The C I O’s comment on the company losing it’s culture was appalling. Guess the LT isn’t concerned with culture anymore. Money over people… That’s business for you. So much for caring by choice.
@a70 if not they should be but why have our CIO? Of all people, no one will believe a word she says- in fact none of them are to be believed
@a3t Yes, there should be more layoffs in September and October. The one in October will happen if they have finalized the deal with the offshoring company they will use. I wonder if anyone will have the ba--s to ask LT during the town hall to explain themselves and be more transparent about the upcoming layoffs. "Caring by Choice" smdh
You’re all really a bunch of mo--ns that can’t even fu--ing read that the person got laid off too. My god. It’s no wonder you all were canned. And to the person who asked for everyone to stop arguing: who TF are you? You’re all bi--hing about sh-t. This is ridiculous.
@a0k Employment is at will and so is integrity. The cpchem tagline “caring by choice” is ringing a lot differently for so many these days. Employment is a choice. Integrity is a choice. And they said it all along, caring is a choice. They are now showing the true lack of care and integrity in choosing to end the employment of so many long term employees. Only to hold on to sh-t boxes like you. There are so many choices in life, but the comfort can be found in you reap what you sow.
@a3y Will definitely be bushwhacking. Not expecting straight talk. That would be too easy.
@a3v I wonder if they talk in clear terms and don’t beat around the bush.
Also to the people arguing in this channel. Go to FB and argue, this is to pass information on layoffs not bicker back and forth
Tomorrow’s town hall will be interesting.