I’m curious whether others who joined 3M externally have noticed a divide between legacy 3M’ers and external hires. I joined a little over a year ago, and I’ve found it easy to build relationships with other external hires. However, I’ve also experienced some skepticism from legacy employees, who often seem to continue working within their established groups.
Has anyone else experienced this?
@19y
I understand 19k’s view. 3M once upon a time, even until 6-7 years ago was known for its R&D and unique technology. People got promoted for good work and contribution. Suddenly in last 5 years there has been a sudden decline, good higher level scientists left instead those who can talk with no tech depth, like CSO, are getting credits and HR rules bent for them.
@19k why does everyone act like anything is different in R&D versus any other part of the org? Poor leadership and total chaos is running rampant in every function and team at 3M. Culture starts at the top and it’s been bad for years everywhere and only getting worse with BB running the place. But again, R&D is just like every other place in the company — no better no worse, same cr-p everywhere. Su-ks ups and people pleasers.
@14z
I am retired few years ago. I remember her as just boss pleaser , getting brownie points from directors and vPs those days by shamefully taking credit for others work. This is the proof that in 3M if you just talk ( even in R&D) you get noticed
@14d
Wow! And the money goes to her pocket? How come 3M lets her do this ? Ridiculous ! What is HR doing?
@12r I heard she charges $25000 speaker fees.
@12r
And her husband works as high level scientist in 3M too, I heard. Swimming in dollars
@12p plus she gets four figure speaker fees on top of her 3M over inflated compensation.
Not only is she completely redundant, I would like to add that the minimum cost of flying her biz class is 10k per trip. Minimum. Now add that to an svp salary, ~400k minimum. Then add aip. She is just laughing to the bank. For doing absolutely nothing and writing books and promoting them on 3 m time. What a shame!
@w7 I am sorry, the glue in the diaper… she had no part in it. I heard that she had defensive patents but none on product inventions that made money. Taking credit - for sure a big expert.
CSA brings in a ton of value! Her poems are like little gems. I have always enjoyed reading them. She does have a flair, I have to admit.
However, when it comes to actually doing something in the lab and actually being useful...that is a whole different conversation. Other than msking some glue for diapers two decades back, nothing really comes to mind. Another area of expertise is taking credit for work done by others, especially junior colleagues who are eager to please a senior corporate scientist.
I have tried a few of her latest AI ventures. Nothing to speak about there.....the hard work is done by the Data Science people, she takes the credit for that work though !
@t7
Chief science advocate
What's CSA?
@sv
She reports to CTO via some director. She needs to go. May be put her under MK, then.
@gt she is not in the corporate labs and never reported to MK, the SVP who seems to have issues with female minorities.
@p3 word from my very senior boss is BB can't tolerate her and she gets zero time from him , tick tock ...
@hg
If that CSA post is eliminated it saves 10 employees jobs. She earns that much for doing nothing. Sounds like Seinfeld. Everything about nothing. Somebody who is sure is leaving 3M should bring this up in town hall for R&D or BB’s. Next time when there is a layoff, leadership should remember the waste of money that is happening
I’m really surprised jay is still allowed to do what she does… her role has ZERO value add.
@gt
I thought of that too. The answer is simple
You see people pull down only if the foreigner woman does good work and is useful. The Chief science advocate talks, writes books, signs books, toots about herself all one track. Nothing useful. Hence not a competition. If she was really good work, she wouldn’t have risen at all. Btw, she had no products only patents…. Worthless
3M is being shaken up from its passive aggressive white Nordic middle class midwestern mentality to a more accepting coastal mindset of late stage capitalism. Thankfully! A public company has one objective only: make profits and return that to the shareholder. That’s it. So if you aren’t feeling that, please leave. We don’t need you.
“being a woman and a foreigner is the kiss of death in the corporate labs”
Where does the chief science officer fit into this?
@gm
I have experienced that too. If you are and also a manager, you must be d-mb and say ‘yes’ and not bring new ideas. Then you have a career in Corporate labs
@dm being a woman and a foreigner is the kiss of death in the corporate labs. This was magnified by MK in recent years.
Though I had a long service in 3M, I was never accepted in the R&D groups as I was a foreigner and woman. Oops thats hard. To swallow for them. Very old company.
I was part of an acquisition a while back and yes, I never felt like I was fully accepted.
As someone who had been at 3M, I didn't trust new external hires because the C-suite, VPs, and must directors prefer external hires who don't know how things are supposed to work or what the process is.
Instead they want a bunch of yes-men who will execute on whatever d-mb idea they have, with no concern for reality.
And since it's easier to point a new person in a nonsense direction because they don't have any background or context than it is to brainwash someone who already knows how the process works, they're prioritizing external hires.
So that's where us legacy employees are at: the risk of a new external hire coming along and trying to push things in the wrong direction because that's what their boss is telling them is far too high, and the inevitable failure comes back to bite us in the a-s.