Thread regarding Verizon Communications Inc. layoffs

Spacex wireless

SpaceX's first earnings call (Aug 2026) after its June IPO, where President Gwynne Shotwell and CEO Elon Musk announced plans to build a real terrestrial mobile network, not just satellite-to-phone backup service, putting them in direct competition with AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon.

The core plan

  • SpaceX is acquiring 65 MHz of spectrum from EchoStar (~$17B deal) that includes rights to build ground-based ("terrestrial") service, not just satellite.
  • Instead of building traditional giant cell towers, SpaceX wants to turn existing Starlink satellite dishes (already on rooftops) into small cellular base stations ("femtocells") — cheap and already deployed.
  • Musk argues this could give better/higher bandwidth coverage than today's carriers, especially since dishes have unobstructed sky/ground views.
  • Shotwell claims the upgraded system (new spectrum + next-gen satellites) will be "100x better" than current Starlink Mobile. New satellites start launching next year (2027), with service beginning end of 2027.
  • Shotwell won't disclose the buildout budget — she says the femtocell approach lets them scale spending gradually instead of huge upfront capex.

Why analysts are skeptical

  • 65 MHz is tiny next to what AT&T/T-Mobile/Verizon collectively hold (over 1,000 MHz).
  • One analyst (Craig Moffett) says without an MVNO deal from an existing carrier, Starlink can't realistically be "competitive" in the next 5 years — and the Big 3 have all declined to do MVNO deals with Starlink.
  • The Big 3 are pooling spectrum/resources in a joint venture partly to blunt this threat.
  • The podcast (Recon Analytics) gives a more detailed, more bullish-but-nuanced technical theory: SpaceX will likely buy 800 MHz spectrum (from a company called Grain, originally from Dish/T-Mobile swap) for wide rural coverage on tall "macro" towers, then densify using its EchoStar/AWS spectrum, and eventually buy upper C-band spectrum for cities — all timed around the 2027 5G-NTN satellite standard. Their view: SpaceX will dominate rural coverage and be a real disruptor, but won't fully replace AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile as a nationwide equal within the next several years.
  • The IEEE ComSoc "Analysis & Opinion" piece (AI-assisted) argues the most likely outcome isn't a full carrier build-out or acquiring a carrier, but a hybrid: buy spectrum + selectively lease/acquire small assets, build only where economically justified, and lean on satellite for the rest — because SpaceX's capital is increasingly being pulled toward AI data center spending instead.

Bottom line: SpaceX/Starlink is signaling serious intent to become a real, direct competitor to the wireless carriers — not just a satellite backup service — using spectrum it's acquiring and a low-cost "distributed small station" approach rather than traditional towers. Nearly everyone agrees this is a real threat (all three carriers' stocks dropped after the earnings call), but there's real debate over the timeline (2027 vs. 2030+) and whether it ever becomes a true fourth national carrier versus a strong niche/rural player that pressures the incumbents.


by
| 102 views | | 20 replies (last 18 days ago) | Reply
Post ID: @OP+1kzpwke0b

20 replies (most recent on top)

@hy 🤡🫪💩👽🫈🐛😵

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @jp+1kzpwke0b

@hp I give, who's the platypus? 🤔

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @jn+1kzpwke0b

QElon Mush needs to take a one way trip to Mars with a spectator crash landing. Also, no government contracts for the trip.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @hz+1kzpwke0b

@fq Elon over Dan and the platypus any day

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @hp+1kzpwke0b

@e1 hopefully fElon OD's on Ketamine before this ever happens. what kind of animal supports the the Far Reich party in Germany, especially now that we're in the 21st century. he can do the NotSee salute in he-l next to Adolf

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @fq+1kzpwke0b

Dan will sell business to Elon but will price wireless out and Elon will buy another company and demolish Verizon

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @e1+1kzpwke0b

@d2 Same people who thought 5 G home internet would actually work. Lol

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @dj+1kzpwke0b

@cq they are doing extremely well. How is Verizon doing? Not well at all.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @dg+1kzpwke0b

@a9 I'd still like to know your favorite breakfast cereal, and what your advice might be for this fall's high school freshmen? And in the past were you partial to Unix or Windows NT?

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @db+1kzpwke0b

@cq Tesla’s ROI has been incredible. SpaceX just IPO’d .. you have no clue what you’re talking about. Both companies have made many of their employees millionaires just by offering a stock purchase plan. Look everyone in here saying spacex can’t compete is the reason Verizon is failing plain and simple.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @d2+1kzpwke0b

@bf your bo--r is showing. how is tesla doing as a business ? how about Space X?

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @cq+1kzpwke0b

@aa False.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @cc+1kzpwke0b

SpaceX should buy Charter which already has MVNO agreements with Verizon and T-Mobile. They would have to assume Charter’s almost $100 billion debt but they can handle that.

This will give them a foothold in the wireless market with 20 million subscribers which they can then expand upon.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @c4+1kzpwke0b

@aa Indeed they were, and now T-Mobile is kicking VZWs ar-e.

Yeah, Im convinced now that Elon will be buying Verizon, or maybe T-Mobile. But Verizon is more likely because of their position. The most valuable thing they have is their client list. Their 5G Spectrum su-ks, and the network keeps going down.what was it, 3 times in the last week or so?

I am glad that in December we switches ro T-Mo, but if Elon buys VZW i may come back simply because Elon understands how to run a company. Dude has the greatest mind of the 21st century.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @bf+1kzpwke0b

fElon should be deported. He was here illegally in the U.S. initially. ICE ge----o needs to grandfather his crime and send him back to Africa.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @av+1kzpwke0b

@aa it’s going take all of that money to build a competitive wireless network.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ap+1kzpwke0b

Verizon will be ripe for the picking in two years. Wake up, this is the game plan . Nothing left but it’s infrastructure

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @ak+1kzpwke0b

Do you remember how they were laughing at TMO, several years ago ? Not laughing now, are they !?
The same will be with X - and yeah, they have more money than God.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @aa+1kzpwke0b

“…especially since dishes have unobstructed sky/ground views.” That is until it rains or snows or a mountain is in the way or a tall building. Not to mention the impact of the sun when it gets cranky. Direct TV and Dish Network made similar claims about satellite coverage. Look how well that turned out.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a6+1kzpwke0b

It doesn't have to be full rollout to dent the margins of existing carriers though.

by
| | Reply
Post ID: @a3+1kzpwke0b

Post a reply

: