Thread regarding TIAA (TIAA-CREF) layoffs

EC Shakeup

Gibson’s departure has been in the works behind the scenes for a few months now. An EC search was kicked off and a firm was allegedly hired to quarterback it.

For a while from what I had heard was that the search was to replace Mickey, but it was later confirmed to be Gibson. However, expect more EC turnover in the next 12-18 months as T is trying everything she can to satisfy the board before they give her the ax. They’re not happy with her and her performance, but removing her would cost a ton of money.

Think of this as when a head coach is on the hot seat and they fire the OC halfway through the season to shake things up. Rarely does it ever work out, and that’s probably how this is going to play out. T is essentially on a PIP with the board and from what I heard she understands that much. Just get ready for some Hail Mary type plays from her.

  • Everything in this post is pure speculation and hearsay :)

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@1m4 no one wants those Indians from Accenture communicating with plan sponsors w/their heavy accents. Look at American Express/Ameriprise when they shipped all their jobs to India in the early 2000s. Not a good look for them at all.

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Post ID: @1s3+1kzbpkez5

@bd nobody gonna put tiaa on their 401k platform … tiaa service already a nightmare that’s gonna be the apocalypse especially the licensing and training of other companies employees to service tiaa. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! They’re just moving everyone to those cr-ppy RC products to avoid paying minimum guaranteed rates

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Post ID: @1m4+1kzbpkez5

@OP this started the beginning of the end for Brown Duckett & her lackeys. This report from NBC in 2024. This combined with the allegations in the Marcella Gift recent lawsuit has shined such a bright light on ethics, morals, and leadership that it will be impossible to recover from:

Gretchen Morgenson
NBC in 2024

$18.2 million in pay

In an effort to ensure its clients make changes the tool recommends, last year TIAA began a new incentive setup, the complaint contends. While previously consultants had been encouraged to discuss the tool’s recommendations with clients, now the employees are tasked with getting a certain number of clients to implement the tool’s advice. If a consultant persuades at least 170 customers to make changes using the tool, he or she earns credits toward bonuses accounting for one-quarter of their compensation.

TIAA said it has minimum performance standards and goals for its financial consultants “to ensure consistency in participant experience and that baseline expectations of the role are achieved.”

Top TIAA executives also reap rewards when more money flows into its annuity, the company’s compensation report shows. Almost half of the pay granted to TIAA’s top executives last year — 45% — was based on the firm’s financial performance; growth in inflows to TIAA Traditional is one of five measures the firm’s human resources committee uses to determine that.

Pay at the top of TIAA is generous. Together, its top five executives received $46.2 million last year, with Duckett, TIAA’s CEO, receiving $18.2 million, up from $17.5 million the prior year. Of the 18 companies TIAA considered to be peers for pay purposes last year, Duckett received more than CEOs at 10 of them, including Bank of New York Mellon, Equitable Holdings and T. Rowe Price.
Put another way, TIAA, which operates without profit, paid its CEO more than the CEOs at most of the for-profit companies it says are peers.

TIAA’s spokesman said that Duckett’s compensation was set by the TIAA board of trustees based on the company’s performance.

The recent push to increase client usage of TIAA’s advice tool appears to be succeeding. Last fall, TIAA executives sent a congratulatory email to financial consultants noting that “advice implementations” using the tool were up 34% year over year, a copy shows. More than $400 million in new money flowed to TIAA Traditional as a result, the email said.

While TIAA’s in-house products generate significant revenues and profits to the firm, it’s not always so for clients. Last year, for example, the TIAA real estate offering was down 13.6%; it is down 4.7% year to date.

Other real estate funds have done better. One managed by Cohen & Steers is up 9.35% for the past 12 months and averaged a 5.8% gain in each of the past five years. Here’s how these returns affect investors: If a plan participant had invested $15,000 in the TIAA offering and added $100 each month, she would have generated about $60,000 over the past 15 years. If she invested $15,000 in the Cohen & Steers fund and contributed an additional $100 each month, she would have had $151,000.

TIAA says its real estate product offers “potentially lower volatility” than other investments in the sector and “guaranteed, daily liquidity.”

‘Somebody stood up’
Until now, Fitzpatrick, the previous TIAA whistleblower, has not spoken publicly about his experience helping the SEC and New York state investigation. TIAA declined to comment on Fitzpatrick’s allegations, which NBC News shared with the firm. In a phone interview, Fitzpatrick recalled joining TIAA in 2013 because the firm said it held itself to a higher standard than other Wall Street outfits and always did what was in its clients’ best interests. “That’s all I wanted from an employer,” he said.

Early on, he brought in a $5.3 million account and was the top performer among TIAA’s new hires nationwide, he said. But he soon learned that his superiors were unhappy because he had not placed the client in a high-fee TIAA-managed account.
“I got into big trouble, but that’s not what the client wanted,” Fitzpatrick recalled. “That’s when I knew TIAA is not what it appears to be.”

His bosses put Fitzpatrick on a performance improvement plan, he said, and he knew his days were numbered. He left TIAA about a year after he joined and began working in the development office of the Milwaukee School of Engineering. In early 2017, he started providing information to regulators investigating TIAA.

“We had training materials and emails to show what was going on, and we also had evidence of bonus plans and how they worked,” Fitzpatrick recalled. “If you looked carefully, you could see there was a clear conflict of interest, and they were not disclosing it.”

Then began what Fitzpatrick described as a long, quiet waiting game.

Ted Fitzpatrick at his home in Glendale, Wis., on July 10.Caleb Alvarado for NBC News In 2024, seven years after he started working with regulators, Fitzpatrick received an award for helping with the 2021 case. He declined to say how much he received but said the amount was “not life-changing.” Referring to TIAA, he added: “I would have made more money if I’d done what they wanted.”
Today Fitzpatrick works at a hardware store mixing paint. “I was at a point in my life when I didn’t need to worry about the impact on my career,” he said of his decision to help regulators. He said he has run into a few professors who were TIAA clients and when they discovered he’d blown the whistle, they thanked him.
“That’s very gratifying,” he recalled. “They said, ‘I’m so glad that somebody stood up.’”

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Post ID: @173+1kzbpkez5

@165 when is the CEO’s contract up or has it been extended yet ? Will Bill Huffman takeover as CEO ?

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Post ID: @16s+1kzbpkez5

@OP The situation with Accenture is not good. The Schroeders deal is turning up a ton of dirty laundry on the due diligence which should have been done on the front end. Frisco is not working out as planned, and the closing of Denver was painful. Premiums from group clients is slowing and there are a number of client defections. Employee moral is down and she spends more time on the Board of other companies and is getting paid handsomely by them.

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Post ID: @16k+1kzbpkez5

@k4 there’s something going on, this post has almost 90 downvotes

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Post ID: @165+1kzbpkez5

@OP FYI your post has been discussed amongst leadership lol either you’re in the know or good at BSing

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Post ID: @12d+1kzbpkez5

@ne We have the DOL Fee Disclosure regulations & Schlichter (that S-B) to thank for all of this. This was the beginning of the end as we knew it. All “for the greater good” tarnished & innocence lost forever.

Here is the summary of the 2018 Complaint w/Vanderbilt. The defining moment that changed the world as we knew it.

The core TIAA-CREF allegations:

•   Bundling/lock-in. To offer the TIAA Traditional Annuity, TIAA-CREF required the plan to also include the CREF Stock Account and Money Market Account and use TIAA as recordkeeper — locking the plan into proprietary products that couldn’t be removed even if they underperformed.
•   Retail share classes instead of institutional. The complaint lists dozens of TIAA-CREF “Retail” (Ret) share classes charged to the plan instead of far cheaper “Institutional” (Inst) share classes of the identical fund — e.g., TIAA-CREF Equity Index at 33 bps vs. 9 bps institutional (a 267% markup), TIAA-CREF Large-Cap Growth Index at 33 bps vs. 7 bps (371% markup).
•   Bloated, duplicative lineup. TIAA-CREF was one of four recordkeepers (with Fidelity, VALIC, Vanguard) contributing to a lineup of 330+ overlapping proprietary funds, which the complaint says diluted bargaining power and caused “decision paralysis.”
•   Questionable nonprofit framing. The complaint alleges TIAA markets itself as nonprofit-adjacent, but Congress revoked its 501(c)(3) tax exemption in 1998; TIAA itself is a for-profit stock life insurer with dozens of for-profit subsidiaries (including Nuveen, acquired for $6.25B) that pay it dividends.
•   Executive pay. TIAA’s CEO compensation (~$18M in 2015) is alleged to be the highest as a percentage of AUM among major reporting fund families — above BlackRock, State Street, J.P. Morgan’s asset management arm — undercutting its nonprofit-style marketing.
•   Cross-selling participant data. Citing 2017 NYT reporting and an NY AG subpoena, the complaint alleges TIAA used its recordkeeper access to participant data (age, balance, contact info) to market its own annuities/IRAs to participants nearing retirement, and paid sales bonuses tied to steering people into in-house products — despite claiming advisors were commission-free.
•   No countervailing benefit to the plan. Defendants allegedly got none of this cross-selling activity offset through reduced recordkeeping fees or revenue-sharing back to the plan.
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Post ID: @qh+1kzbpkez5

I can tell you the day I think things changed irreversibly. October 21, 2017. Thasunda or no Thasunda, there was no putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Every professor in America with a big balance and near retirement either read that article or an article about that article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/21/business/the-finger-pointing-at-the-finance-firm-tiaa.html

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Post ID: @ne+1kzbpkez5

@k4 i heard the recordkeeper mess with Accenture is a disaster. It may have saved the company $30M a year in labor, but it costs the company $60M in client losses & defections.

Dire Straits if you axe me.

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Post ID: @ma+1kzbpkez5

Is the PR department working overtime on thiese posts? Seems crazy to see all of the down votes (not buying it). Maybe those employees could be better put to use trying to save the RKT mess - how much has been spent for no results? AUM is only up because the market has been up .. nothing T Duck and the mighty duck squad has done has been a win. The only reason people are hanging around is that the market is so bad they cant find a job to go to. Oh and your fantasy post about TDF's with income - duh EVERY provider has one now, boat sailed and like always TIAA is still trying to get on board. I doubt if any of the platform providers is going to work overtime selling the TIAA version when they can sell their own.

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Post ID: @k4+1kzbpkez5

@gm the potential actual severance may not be specifically listed in employment agreement. The $20M is only speculation about how much she could get if the Board booted her for non cause. As far as Gift goes, I don’t think her or her lawyer is posting on here. Yes. She was a nobody and thought her schit smelled better than roses, but there are a lot of people with a keen eye who have analyzed her case & I would surmise those are the toads posting about it on here. If you look at her lawyers Linkedin page, he’s got a lot of stuff about this case on his page.

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Post ID: @jj+1kzbpkez5

Learn us... how does T have a $20M severance deal? Her employment agreement was posted and didn't have it.

Also, can Marcella Gift and her lawyer stop posting here pumping up her lawsuit as if anyone here cares? No one even knows who she is.

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Post ID: @gm+1kzbpkez5

bunch of losers

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Post ID: @fp+1kzbpkez5

You can tell that bots are being used on this site to push fake content and provide downvotes. I guess it is true that TBD and her PR team are active on this site. You would think they had bigger items to work on such as trying to save a company that they have run into the ground.

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Post ID: @fn+1kzbpkez5

@ee I don’t trust anyone who wears coke bottled glasses like Roger. He certainly can’t see clearly.

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Post ID: @et+1kzbpkez5

@c4 Bring back Roger Ferguson? St. Roger tried and failed to build a bank, then bought Everbank, ended all remote work arrangements in 2019 and was fined $97 million by the SEC. No thanks.

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Post ID: @ee+1kzbpkez5

@bn $20M ! How about negative -$20M & season tickets to watch the NY Liberty dyKKKs.

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Post ID: @cd+1kzbpkez5

@c4 how much do board members get paid ? Rumor is over $500K per year but where can we find accurate numbers ?

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Post ID: @ca+1kzbpkez5

The board needs to look in the mirror as TIAA has been one big mess since TBD stepped in. I can’t name one strategic initiative that TBD and this EC delivered. The company hasn’t been profitable since TBD stepped in.

TIAA needs to clean house starting with key Board Leadership, the CEO, EC, and even the next level down of leadership that reports to the EC.

If they are smart, hire Roger as a special advisor to help stabilize things and give the Board time find the right CEO to clean up this huge mess.

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Post ID: @c4+1kzbpkez5

@OP The Accenture Fiasco. Favoring Indians over Americans. The Denver & Jacksonville blo-od bath, Frisco bungled. Overpaying a premium on Schoeders by Nuveen by over 30%, slowing annual recurring premium, and many lawsuits have tarnished the entire reputation. Marcella Gift’s could be the straw that breaks Sastry’s back. TBD needs to go but the Board needs to go more. Pay her $20M in severance and get a real CEO !

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Post ID: @bn+1kzbpkez5

@OP Associate satisfaction and quality of work-life for many is low for sure but I doubt that the board is that dissatisfied with the outcomes. Overall direction of the company as measured through AUM growth, Net Flow trend, being the market leader in TDFs with lifetime income including with new distribution channels into 401k space all would probably show as delivering on the strategy.

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