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Dell Sales Managers - Useless

In my experience, sales leadership at Dell has become heavily weighted toward internal compliance, forecasting, quota enforcement, and protecting the company’s financial objectives, rather than developing and advocating for the people responsible for generating revenue. There is limited understanding of the individual seller’s business, customers, pipeline dynamics, or long-term career goals.

Effective sales leadership should add value by coaching, removing obstacles, advocating for appropriate compensation and advancement, challenging unrealistic quotas, helping resolve compensation issues, and developing talent. Too often, those responsibilities are secondary to simply managing the number and enforcing corporate direction.

The result is a management structure that can feel more administrative than leadership oriented. When managers are unable or unwilling to advocate for their people whether around promotions, compensation, quota fairness, career development, or legitimate business challenges it raises a fundamental question about what incremental value that layer of management is providing to experienced sellers.

Strong sales organizations need leaders who develop people, understand the business, advocate upward, remove barriers, and lead by example not simply communicate decisions downward and hold sellers accountable for the outcome.


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Little value-add from middle managers. They are too busy tracking and reporting on activity sync, saleschat, and other metrics. Too distracted by their own lack of job security to be strategic or even ‘present’.
I can tell (with very little interaction with my boss) she must be concerned for her job and stressed about the comp plans too.

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Post ID: @2ek+1kzyb6kct

Managers (of anything - seems to be a lot of different types of "managers" - at least 12 sub-types. Lol) can be replaced now.

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Post ID: @1tf+1kzyb6kct

True that!!!

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Post ID: @145+1kzyb6kct

I had one manager who was so disengaged he could barely be bothered to hold team meetings. It was the definition of phoning it in. I don’t think I encountered a more unqualified, lazy, or self-serving manager. He had little understanding of leadership, rarely advocated for his people, and added virtually no value to the team.

His laissez-faire approach seemed driven less by empowerment and more by self-preservation. Keep the title, enjoy the compensation, avoid risk, and do just enough to stay under the radar. Eventually, that approach caught up with him and leadership put him where he belonged. But it’s amazing how much we see this happen here at Dell.

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Post ID: @pc+1kzyb6kct

Product and Engineering Managers aren't any better. They're useless.

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Post ID: @nx+1kzyb6kct

Managers scrambling for talk time.

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Post ID: @kf+1kzyb6kct

Dell sales managers are the biggest collection of brown-nosing, quota-polishing, spreadsheet-humping, corporate-te-t-su-king, buzzword-spewing, box-checking, a-s-covering, metric-chasing, meeting-scheduling, forecast-fudging, career-stalling, raise-denying, quota-defending, corporate-line-towing, leadership-cosplaying empty suits ever assembled under one bloated corporate org chart.

Hallelujah. Amen.

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Post ID: @hx+1kzyb6kct

My manager was there for me and helped develop my career… no, she didn’t do that.

My manager understood my accounts, customers, and day-to-day business… nope, not that either.

My manager fought for me when quotas were unreasonable or compensation was impacted… actually, no.

My manager advocated for raises and promotions based on performance… hmm, definitely not that.

My manager brought valuable strategy and helped me close complex enterprise deals… yeah, that never happened either.

My manager led by example and inspired the team through experience and leadership… uh yeah, not even close.

She did however, cancel meetings and collect her RSU’s.

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Post ID: @hv+1kzyb6kct

Dell’s sales management structure might be the biggest clown show in the company. They do absolutely nothing!!!!

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Post ID: @hs+1kzyb6kct

Most sales managers at Dell know perfectly that they are not sellers, but just people managers.
And they perfectly know that if they are let go they will never land such a role and, especially, salary somewhere else.
So they just sit there and comply, aware that they won the lottery. The only sales manager we had on the floor who was really fighting for his team was let go during the first round of layoff, 4 years ago, and replaced by the perfect corporate guy.

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Post ID: @gy+1kzyb6kct

All Dell Sales Managers are there because of their brown nosing capabilities. Every single manager I've had at Dell were opportunistic and worthless slugs. They got the position by kissing as$ and looking out only for themselves. My last manager was so useless, his only concern was su-king up to the Field Sales Director to land a field sales role (for which he was totally unqualified for) instead of looking out for his inside team's well being. He would stab you in the back, before going against upper management when asked to help fight for his direct reports rights (territory double booking, territory commission disputes, earning caps, etc.). Truly awful pseudo sales manager. But he did play golf with his director regularly.

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Post ID: @f5+1kzyb6kct

They paid a lot of money to su-kle on the te-t!

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Post ID: @es+1kzyb6kct

I had one manager who actually tried to help me when I got capped on commission, but it still got declined. Lol Not sure if that counts as a win.

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Post ID: @dh+1kzyb6kct

I’ve had at least 15 sales managers during my time at Dell, and I can’t point to a single one who made a meaningful impact on my career or success. Different names, same experience - they all su-ked!

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Post ID: @dd+1kzyb6kct

@d6 slow down buddy - some of the AEs are older than the ashes in that tray, and all they've done for the last 20 years is warm their chairs

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Post ID: @db+1kzyb6kct

Dell sales managers are about as useless as an ashtray on a motorcycle!

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Post ID: @d6+1kzyb6kct

A boss will ask you to manage your stress.

A leader will fix whats causing it.

A Dell manager will ask you to accept your quota.

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Post ID: @d5+1kzyb6kct

I have said lately, that managers at Dell are the wardens in the jail where you are the inmates.

As such, their effort is concentrated on keeping you under control and prevent a mutiny instead of doing anything for you.

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Post ID: @c6+1kzyb6kct

Large enterprise account management…..hope your listening here..

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Post ID: @c1+1kzyb6kct

@OP Useless managers are ISG Engineering and Product Development. Couldn't deliver a cooked pizza if their lives depended on it.

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Post ID: @b4+1kzyb6kct

EMC had Sales Managers with a ton of relevant sales experience(most of the time). I had one with 20 years experience. When you went to a meeting, the advice imparted wasn't fluff. You knew he had the experience. Of course, it never always worked but you felt the advice was sound.

@OP Dell Sales Managers are shackled with internal rules and regulations. If you used to be EMC, you know what I mean. EMC was the Wild West. Dell, not so much.

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Post ID: @a5+1kzyb6kct

Yeah my manager is a POS, she does absolutely nothing for the team.

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Post ID: @a1+1kzyb6kct

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