Thread regarding Cigna layoffs

How do we get CNN or Fox News to investigate and report on this issue?
The American people deserve to know the facts, not rumors, political talking points, or silence. When Americans are struggling to find stable work, afford housing, and simply make ends meet, we should be asking serious questions about why American jobs are being taken away or redirected to serve the interests of other nations.
Many Americans have nowhere else to call home and are already struggling to survive. They deserve to know where their jobs are going, how these decisions are being made, and who benefits from them.
This is not about politics. It is about transparency, accountability, and putting the facts before the American people.

@ac People downvoting you itself is a testament of how they don’t want to own their shortcomings and not hear an honest perspective . lol they have no clue how Indians actually DO NOT want to hire other Indians but are left with no choice.

@c7
“ Are you all saying that the demographics of the employee population is no longer representative of the demographics compared to 5-6 years ago?”

From the way I see it yes. 75% of the IT population are either Indian H1Bs or Indian outsource (ie HIH). Just look at Cigna’s IT departments and other companie’s IT depr.

Wait, let me get this right...

Are you all saying that the demographics of the employee population is no longer representative of the demographics compared to 5-6 years ago?

Are you all saying that the demographics of the employee population is no longer representative of the demographics of those served by the company (patients, prescribers, etc.)?

@ac

The avg IQ in India is barely high enough to legally stand trial in the US. This is not about talent.

@b6 I feel exactly same about our team

To the Indian Manager:
I respect that you’re speaking from your experience, but mine has been very different. I’ve repeatedly seen confident commitments that were not delivered, unrealistic assurances, a lack of critical thinking and independence, and short-term thinking at the expense of accountability and long-term results. Working extra hours or taking on-call shifts is not, by itself, a measure of reliability, even though I have observed this more commonly among non-Indian employees. Real reliability means making realistic commitments, delivering on them, communicating risks honestly, taking ownership, being able to multitask, think critically, and produce results. These are the very foundations that Americans are taught at schools and expected to demonstrate.
Strong organizations also need people who challenge ideas, innovate, and raise concerns; not simply people who agree or deliver the minimum.

Ultimately, as a leader and as a human being, I judge people by their record, not their nationality. If promises continue to exceed results, the consequences will eventually be felt by the business. Until then, enjoy the opportunity and compensation. It is also worth noting that some leadership positions are filled because individuals can communicate with offshore teams, rather than solely on demonstrated qualifications and results. You may be among them!
Please remember that positions come with a responsibility to deliver results and earn the trust placed in you. As a leader, your first task is to stop looking in the mirror. You are not serving yourself; you are serving others and should be working to deliver the best possible outcomes for ALL the people you represent.

@ah They will hire a random incomoetent white women or white man to show they are not biased but the problem is still there.

@ac

Dear Indian Manager,
The reason Indians survived this long in IT is because you only hire your own kind, and displace the rest of us.

Look around you.
There is 10 indian for every 1 non-indian in any IT/SWE department. i dont think that’s coincidence.

@ac
to the indian manager, so you are admitting to bias. you assumed that non-indians will not be easier to work with and not dependable.

i have worked for a long time and had worked with indians, caucasians, other asians (chinese, philipino) but the common denominator is indians just dont perform well. either they will deligate, or not do it properly. my friends who are also in IT tells me similar things with their own indian colleagues, not just in the US but in Singapore and new zealand. they are also credit grabbers.

im not saying all indians are the same, i, thankfully have some indian co workers that have good workethics, and one of my favorites manager is an indian female, but those are unicorns.

altho i also do agree that there are caucasians who are sloppy and lazy but i seldom meet those kind.

bottom line is. leave your bias at the door and dont make hiring decisions based on our ethnicity

This is a known problem and has affected me. I work as an SE, and one time I interviewed for a company that had American/Caucasian recruiter and hiring manager that I did fine in the interview with.

Then came the technical team. Every single one of them Indian.

I knew I could do the job because it was using technologies I had used for a long time. I would have been productive on their systems within 3-4 weeks of starting.

They were not going to let that happen. I was doing real-time live coding and they were just not going to let me succeed. Every time I would implement what they tell me, they would say its wrong. Would not say why. Would even say: "No, you can't use that library." No reason, nothing. Nothing specific about what's wrong with my solution.

Near the end of the interview, we socialized a bit and I found out they were all from the same village back home in India. I hung up the call after we said our goodbyes and it immediately hit me....

I was the H1B requirement interview. They needed to interview a domestic citizen candidate and make their claim they could not find a suitable domestic candidate and therefore needed the H1B.

The rejection email was interesting. It did not say I failed the interview or that I was unqualified. It simply said that I lacked experience with a specific "optional" item on their list of items on the job description, and the hilarious part was that thing never was discussed or came up in any of the interviews.

Would bet you my life savings they probably got one of their friends or family members from that same village in South India that they were all from.

They are known to do this, and they have zero shame. That's why I call all the people who call people like me racist and that I need to let people in the country to work with me as sui-idal empaths/sympaths. They don't realize that the very people they want to allow to come in and take our jobs do not share the same view. Those people will let one into a lead or management position and get themselves laid off if they continue down that path.

Indians don't share that same value of openness of culture in the workplace. They want their own kind.

Don't let them get into management.

I am an Indian woman working as a manager. It has been disheartening to read some of the comments here, so I just want to share my point of view purely from my own experience.
1) In my experience, Indian managers do NOT prefer to hire other Indians out of favoritism. If anything, the dynamic is more complicated than that. We can be quite competitive with each other and don't always want to see each other grow. What managers actually look for is talent plus compliance, because it makes managing a team much easier.
2) We also look for who will take ownership, who can handle a production issue, who is willing to put in extra hours when needed. For better or worse, I have found Indian employees to be extremely reliable in this regard. Every time I have asked Indian employees to cover on-call support, they have been willing to step up.
Overall, regardless of your own background, I have found it easier to work with Indian employees. That reliability is a big reason they have sustained and survived in this industry for so long.

@a9 Our director exclusively recruits candidates from Infosys and TCS because he receives a kickback for every successful hire.

@OP This is absolutely true.

i am not indian nor white but i am experiencing this too.

one time there is healthcare company that i applied to directly and got ignored. 3 months later i am still seeing their job posting but this time i got an interview thru a headhunter (indian recruiter). the hiring manager is white and she said they are planning to replace all 5 of there offshore SWE in india that’s why they are hiring. i was surprised why its taking them a long time. anyway, i passed the first level and was handed over to the techlead, who is an indian woman. the first thing she said was “you have a good smile”, which is an odd first comment. i thought she was softening the blow and had already decided she doesnt like me even before the interview. true enough, i didn’t pass. they said i dont have the set of skills they are looking for. mind you, the skills sets they are looking for is a niche market that i have 12 years on my belt and have been employed by 2 companies prior Cigna because of that. their indian offsource devs have only been developing with that tool for less than 5 years. go figure.

the other weird thing is, her questions are not related to the job description, like she’s intentionally asking questions that i will fail.
makes you wonder if she’s failing candidates on purpose so she could say “there are no qualified US citizens that can replace the offshore resources”..

i did hear a podcast where a US indian IT gets a cut of an Indian IT’s salary as long as he/she employs them in his/her company. so makes you wonder.

I believe in equal opportunity regardless of race or ethnicity. But after experiencing this repeatedly, I can’t ignore the pattern.

In one interview, 3 of 5 panelists rated me 5/5 across the board, while 2 gave me 1/5 on every question. The hiring manager said those scores were a serious concern. I later learned the 2 were Indian and the company hired an Indian candidate with far less experience.
In another case, an Indian VP told me they were there to chill, discouraged my questions, then told HR I wasn’t a good fit, while an offer had already gone to an Indian candidate.
In another, an Indian CTO had me solve what appeared to be a real company problem, then ghosted me. Months later, they hired an Indian candidate with little experience.

Repeated patterns deserve to be questioned.
And one more thing, Indian candidates are not automatically cheaper. Compensation is based on the role, skills, experience, and market! Not ethnicity.
Race should never determine who gets hired or who gets a fair shot. People should be judged by qualifications and performance not ethnicity or community.

This is absolutely true. If I see an Indian name for the recruiter or the hiring manager, I don’t even bother applying. It’ll just be a waste of my time

how can we have our policy makers know about this.

is there a polling place or signature gathering of IT workers who had experience descrimination in their job search

Blatant racism against Caucasians. They only hire their own. Time to ban all H1Bs, this is outright discrimination against American workers. America first!