I have a job offer from Enbridge and it has a Termination clause for severance. I don’t have that in my previous offer and none of my friends have it. I asked HR and they said it is standard in offers.
Do I need to accept these conditions? Has anyone negotiated better?
Well, if a new employment contract is being negotiated, it's just that. A new contract. They could have the clause in it. Your old contract is in force until you both agree to the new one, whereupon the old one is closed out.
"Should" it be left out as a grandfathering move? Perhaps. But that's a soft opinion, and not a legal question. The employee needs to decide if, on balance, the contract with the new terms is better for them than the old one. If not, and that's the hill to die on, they should reject it.
but why is it applying to long term employee promotions? Shouldn’t they be grandfathered?
@jz its started in 2019 new rules when Term employee no longer being a generous company plus, its not stable
@OP you can not negotiate, thats now standard with that company. They changed it in 2019, Enb is getting greedier and they lay you off with no warning one day. I would suggest go work elswhere ... before all beter companies fill their spots. ENBRIDGE no longer a stable retiring job to be at.
@OP thats right you are under standard term pay out no longer getting more as others did when hired before 2019 .
@1jc you can put whatever you want in a contract - it just doesn't mean it's enforceable.
I'm not sure the contracts are necessarily the same in how much severance they provide, but mine is similar to what common law would be anyway (maybe a shade light, but not offensively so)
You cannot put a term in a contract that violates or tries to rewrite law. There's no way the clause does that. What's the text?
@172 promos as well
@10j for new hires or promotions as well?
The clause appears standard (since Covid it appears)
@xa that doesn’t make sense. I don’t think k than would stand up in court. If Enbridge really is doing this then they have reached a new low.
@vq according to the offer, Enbridge can terminate and severance is limited below what common law would allow for.
You can ask about it, of course. You can even request that it be removed. Technically this is a refusal of the offer, which destroys the contract. But in practice if they say no and you then agree to the terms as is, they'll allow it to stand.
Without knowing what it states, nobody can really advise you on whether it is appropriate.
Please explain the termination clause details. I heard something about that from our Chatham colleagues.
@qv I’m not a new employee though. Been here over a decade.
LOL, at least they are informing new employees about the lay off culture ENB has!
I haven’t seen this and it’s not in my offer - I started 7 years ago. Is this for all jobs now?
If you want the job, accept the conditions. Otherwise they'll move on to someone else who will.
The termination conditions are not as good as they used to be but by no means unfair.