#offshore

Well, this is something new. Hearing about an offshore VP of Software Engineering getting laid off this week in CE.

Many skilled and hard workers from Montreal were let go today. Very sad to see jobs moving to India.

seeing talk in several spaces about a department being offshored at the end of the year.

I've been doing a lot of work with a MX City team lately, and they are just awful. They routinely just don't do what they're supposed to, and ignore questions during meetings. Their manager just says "they're shy" when asked about things, as if that's okay.

It's annoying enough that companies like TR are gutting the middle class by offshoring everything, but on top of that the lucky few of us who have not had our jobs offshored yet are apparently expected to work overtime to make up for the offshore team's ineptitude.

Obviously this is just one experience and team, but has anyone else seen this? Not sure if I've just gotten unlucky, or this is more of a widespread issue.

Execution is offshore.
Accountability is onshore.
Answers are expected instantly — from US leaders — even when the work is “handled” elsewhere.

So if leadership asks a question and you don’t know because the team is offshore? That’s your problem. Which means US folks quietly become backup, escalation, translator, and babysitter… on top of their real jobs.

Meanwhile:
• India and Mexico are on holiday (again).
• US teams keep things moving (as usual).
• Offshore teams won’t engage unless you’re senior enough.
• And somehow there’s monthly travel to the US with no agenda, no outcomes, just vibes.

But don’t worry — it’s “saving money.”

No one seems to track:
• US leadership overhead
• Context switching and rework
• Travel costs
• Decision delays

If the US is still accountable, always on, and filling every gap…
are we actually saving money — or just calling it offshoring and hoping no one does the math?

Depending on the time of the workday and degree of swivel of your chair, you can be either:

Working on Gainwell systems
Pretend to be a Microsoft support engineer
or
IRS agent threatening to arrest someone

Just got an Email to Onboard a Person in India - New Offshore Team. How much time do I have ? I've been here 6.5 Years.

I beard today that we are planning to hand r&d to H1B and offshore. is it true that we are basically done with innovation? My director is always talking about moving people from tech rolls into account mgmt and sales. He says that being technical and bilingual will get me further that trying to create. Our shift is from innovation to implementation? That would explain so much of the cultural shift they've dropped on us. shame, id been looking for opportunity to work in labs since covid. I didn't spent 6 years in school to sell Ericcson junk.

Just got my email Im being let go after 4 years. Im so disgusted with what they are doing, they dont value anyone in customer service.

Expect major layoffs this year. All the areas going through "transformation" like cfo, ops, and brand are planning to offshore roles or replace with AI. ETX was the test case before rollout to other areas.

They have reduction in US headcount as a goal for each area. Search deep enough on Sharepoint & OneDrive and the details can be found.

Just wondering how South N'Dola our greatest new offshore development is doing. Finally developed after first proposed as an extension to existing field 25 years ago. Was there any oil and pressure left after production from the north and did they find reservoir. Interested to see if there is any competence left in the company.

Why are offshore folks so bad at using Git? Branch management and conflict resolution are always so awful on-shore folks in our team always put out fires caused by offshore folks.(lots of rebasing and cherry picks)

The last few times I have contacted IT, It has been very obvious that they are at home. For instance, one guy was having a party at his house and angrily did everything he could to get me off the phone to return to that party. The last person to help, I could hear an actual rooster crowing in the background. I thought we built these overseas buildings and spent billions of dollars, why are they at home?

Nothing’s changed. Offshore more work, thin out US teams, stack roles, and squeeze productivity. The direction of the new leadership is obvious - same ol' same ol'.

Is Xerox planning on canceling the contract with HCL? Who does Lexmark contract with for offshore low cost labor?

#Avaya took away our #jobs, moved them #offshore, then layed off several thousand US career employees, including our Veterans. I question Patrick Dennis on the obvious hipocrisy. US workers need protection from the corporate abuse of “ Employment at Will.”

Bravo. Well said. (See Comments)

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/patrickjdennis_today-is-veterans-day-while-we-activity-7394037394750017536-dG5N?utm_source=li_share&utm_content=feedcontent&utm_medium=g_mb_web&utm_campaign=copy

Good luck with that. My manager is just writing people up to fire them with cause - and then replacing them with offshore labor.

Is this really happening?

Will layoffs affect offshoring in the context of it increasing or decreasing?

The offshore (lack of) customer service is a large factor why customers don't trust Verizon!

You can't talk about Verizon being risk adverse, hung up on processes, and not being the best with the network anymore etc etc without talking about the absolute poor customer service we give !

And I don't blame the vendor reps, it's not their fault they're not trained.

When is Verizon's leadership going to take responsibility for offshoring customer service??

As long as you offshore development and onshore cheap labor you are going to continue to have outages.

It’s all offshoring. Or, in some cases, cutting roles that are just gone forever while dumping the workload on fewer and fewer people. I really wish they’d stop excusing profit-maximizing cuts and offshoring by slapping an AI label on everything. It feels like gaslighting at the highest level.

Lost 1/2 the value
Created a seriously toxic environment
Off-shored Countless Jobs
Made a lot of bank
Fu---d this place up
Drove out the best of the best
Hired a bunch of mo--ns
Made a lot more of bank
Made like 3/4 of the people scared they will loose their jobs
Fu---d this place up, team! GO Fuchsia!

"The strategy is solid, the momentum is real and I’m fully committed to seeing this through until we name my successor" (help, get me out of here, stat! AAR please!)

Sounds like I'll get a long vacation at some point next year.

This has been going on for months now. Off shore India teams working during US workforce hours. The writings on the wall. Fiserv not supporting the US employees with this strategy. Good luck.

Its an open secret now that there is a quota for performance ratings this year, similar to last. no 5s are allowed at all and there is a minimum number of 2s per team that must be allocated or senior leadership will draw names from a hat.

My question - Do any people leaders know if offshore team member's 2s count towards this quota? Our team is 18 offshore and 4 onshore. Would we be forced to lose another onshore person?

We used to have 9 onshore team members before this madness. any more onshore layoffs would mean we are on call and doing releases at night once every 3 weeks, which is insane. :( All the offshore folks are also at a university student level skill-wise, despite senior level titles, so they dont help with anything.

A few weeks ago thee question of layoffs was posed. The response was VH promised no Layoffs and we are lean and mean…

The street and influential groups think Oxy is stale and requires a rebrand both within its teams and its assets. A definition of what Oxy is and where it’s going.

We have since learned about VSPs, HR looking at Reservoir and Subsurface for poor performance, offshore competitors actively looking at non core offshore assets.

For those 6hat doubted about Layoffs and massive transformation what’s your new opinions?

Back in those days…
It was rare to get called over weekends..
We all had a fixed lunch time, time to start day and end day..
We rarely carried work home…
Work never felt stressful..

Whereas now..
Day starts very early, ends way late.. even sometimes have to work on weekends.
With offshore have to accommodate their time, their holidays and the then manage work.. stressful..
Have to communicate with offshore over crying children, noise of television, or honking noise.
With mobile and laptop we carry work with us all the time.
I feel this is due to the cultural differences between the massive foreigners in the workforce who do not follow the same holidays and are willing to work anywhere anytime and however much.

Nothing against foreigners and I am a liberal but still, there are several red flags here with corporate greed and SHE making 25 millions every year. Work life has changed drastically, my work life is almost over but I fear for what kind of America do my kids get to live in.

Cyber: F5 experienced the same breach in March 2021. In Nov 2021 they announced they’re doubling their India staff which is now 20% of their headcount.

The WFH engineering is entirely in India. Only pre-sales and service engineers in US. None of these cyber SME’s will investigate India or the Beijing operations but I bet they’ll find a previously unknown vulnerability.

BTW India outlaws VPNs and these dudes WFH on Huawei networks. What happens to encrypted data traveling through China where encryption is illegal? Good question - cryptologists don’t seem to know. Bet they had anonymous security groups and no one checked logs so they didn’t even know. 95% of breaches involve insiders - negligence or intentional theft. I call it the offshore 401K.

H1-B holders are disappearing

Next trip is heavily tax and higher tariff on companies hiring on offshore operations.

Anyone know?

1) Does the 8 hours count working with offshore at night? If no, I'll ignore them till next morning

2) Does putting in extra hours on weekends help?

3) Is 5-6 hours + 2-3 hours office + home acceptable? Bridgets email does indicate so.

Posted on Chevron's Board:

Stop Selling Out Our Future

Friends,

Across forums, industry conversations, and personal exchanges, one theme keeps repeating: Offshoring and particularly to low cost labor markets like India.

Let’s be clear:

Our operations are built on national resources—oil, gas, and energy that are the wealth of nations. These resources, while vital, come with environmental costs we all understand. And yet, instead of converting this sacrifice into livelihoods for the people of the very nations whose resources we exploit, we see record levels of offshoring.

This is not the same as IT or banking outsourcing. Natural resources are not just corporate assets, they are national wealth.

To offshore the jobs tied to them is not just cost-cutting, it is economic plunder.

The scale of this shift is hidden. Official headcount reports disguise the reality. If we include not just GCC centers but also third-party service providers, the imbalance is shocking-only a fraction of roles remain in base countries, while the majority are quietly shipped overseas.

In reality, No MC, C-suite, or shareholder vote should decide who benefits from national resources. That right belongs to the people and their governments.

The problem is, most people, even in government, don’t know the scale of what’s happening. It is happening quietly, and rapidly.

That’s why every one of us has a role to play. Even small actions matter:
• Write to your representatives.
• Raise awareness within your networks.
• Push for transparency in how resource-linked jobs are allocated.

This is not about one company or one industry. This is about ensuring our resources create futures for our people, not just cheap profits offshore.
If we don’t act now, we risk handing away not only our jobs but our children’s right to benefit from their own nation’s wealth

#Offshoring #Offshore #OilAndGas #JobSafety

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Nothing more ridiculous than politicians using Imperial’s announcement as a distraction to blame each other for policies or tie Carney to Brookfield.

No the campus is not being sold to Brookfield. It’s a local firm.

Make sure they redirect back to the main them. Offshoring of jobs.

They are doing nothing to prevent offshoring of jobs.

Friends,
Across forums, industry conversations, and personal exchanges, one theme keeps repeating-
Offshoring and particularly to low cost labor markets like India.

Let’s be clear:
Our operations are built on national resources—oil, gas, and energy that are the wealth of nations. These resources, while vital, come with environmental costs we all understand. And yet, instead of converting this sacrifice into livelihoods for the people of the very nations whose resources we exploit, we see record levels of offshoring.
This is not the same as IT or banking outsourcing. Natural resources are not just corporate assets, they are national wealth.
To offshore the jobs tied to them is not just cost-cutting, it is economic plunder.

The scale of this shift is hidden. Official headcount reports disguise the reality. If we include not just GCC centers but also third-party service providers, the imbalance is shocking-only a fraction of roles remain in base countries, while the majority are quietly shipped overseas.

In reality, No MC, C-suite, or shareholder vote should decide who benefits from national resources. That right belongs to the people and their governments.

The problem is, most people, even in government, don’t know the scale of what’s happening. It is happening quietly, and rapidly.

That’s why every one of us has a role to play. Even small actions matter:
• Write to your representatives.
• Raise awareness within your networks.
• Push for transparency in how resource-linked jobs are allocated.

This is not about one company or one industry. This is about ensuring our resources create futures for our people, not just cheap profits offshore.
If we don’t act now, we risk handing away not only our jobs but our children’s right to benefit from their own nation’s wealth

First of all, my heart goes out to our European, Canadian, and Singapore colleagues.
Great friends, fine professionals, and true believers in EM core values.

Across forums, industry conversations, and personal exchanges, one theme keeps repeating-
Offshoring and particularly to low cost labor markets like India.

Let’s be clear:
Our operations are built on national resources—oil, gas, and energy that are the wealth of nations. These resources, while vital, come with environmental costs we all understand. And yet, instead of converting this sacrifice into livelihoods for the people of the very nations whose resources we exploit, we see record levels of offshoring.
This is not the same as IT or banking outsourcing. Natural resources are not just corporate assets, they are national wealth.
To offshore the jobs tied to them is not just cost-cutting, it is economic plunder.

The scale of this shift is hidden. Official headcount reports disguise the reality. If we include not just GCC centers but also third-party service providers, the imbalance is shocking-only a fraction of roles remain in base countries, while the majority are quietly shipped overseas.

In reality, No MC, C-suite, or shareholder vote should decide who benefits from national resources. That right belongs to the people and their governments.

The problem is, most people, even in government, don’t know the scale of what’s happening. It is happening quietly, and rapidly.

That’s why every one of us has a role to play. Even small actions matter:
• Write to your representatives.
• Raise awareness within your networks.
• Push for transparency in how resource-linked jobs are allocated.

This is not about one company or one industry. This is about ensuring our resources create futures for our people, not just cheap profits offshore.
If we don’t act now, we risk handing away not only our jobs but our children’s right to benefit from their own nation’s wealth

Folks, the real problem is short-term thinking versus long-term vision. Under the guise of annual PDS reviews, promotions, and showing immediate business value, we’ve completely lost sight of the long-term consequences.

This BTC offshoring is just the beginning. They’re bringing in people willing to work for a meal a day, and that’s the standard they’re setting. Other companies will follow our mistake, creating a trap for everyone.

Don’t wait until your job is taken away—fight against outsourcing like it’s a national emergency. You might survive the next 5–20 years, but what about the next generation? They could be left with no opportunities.

We can’t compete against 500–600 million graduates willing to work for peanuts. This isn’t just a corporate decision—it’s a systemic issue on the scale of capitalism versus communism, world wars, or global epidemics. These global capability centers are designed to destroy livelihoods to boost profits and deliver short-term shareholder gains.

Wake up and act before it’s too late.

Friends, Imperial Oil is offshoring thousands of Calgary jobs while taking advantage of Alberta’s resources, tax breaks, and our province’s livelihood. We can’t let this go unchallenged. Here’s what you can do today:

1.  Write to your MLA and MP demanding they stop public benefits to companies that offshore Canadian jobs.
2.  Write to local and national newspapers (Calgary Herald, Globe & Mail, CBC, etc.) to expose how Imperial is abandoning Alberta workers.
3.  Write to the Alberta Energy Regulator and other agencies asking them to review Imperial’s operations and hold them accountable for both job losses and environmental impacts.

1. Template-
   Dear [MLA/MP Name],

I am writing as a concerned Albertan. Imperial Oil has announced mass layoffs in Calgary while offshoring all these jobs to India. This is a betrayal of our province and its people, especially after Imperial benefited from Alberta’s resources, tax breaks, and royalty concessions.

What’s worse — Imperial is not scaling down operations. The company plans to increase oil sands output while offshoring even more Canadian jobs abroad.

I urge you to:

1. Publicly demand that Imperial disclose the number of jobs being offshored.
2. Push for clawbacks on any tax or royalty benefits if jobs are moved overseas.
3. Support legislation requiring companies receiving public benefits to keep jobs in Canada.

Albertans deserve leaders who will defend local jobs and hold corporations accountable. Please let me know what actions you will take.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City, Alberta]

2-
To the Editor,

Imperial Oil is offshoring thousands of Calgary jobs while continuing to profit from Alberta’s oil sands and enjoy generous tax and royalty concessions. This decision guts our community, threatens livelihoods, and sends Canadian prosperity abroad while leaving behind environmental and social costs.

Importantly, Imperial is not reducing operations — in fact, the company plans to pump even more barrels while cutting Alberta jobs and shipping the work overseas.

We should not reward corporations that abandon Alberta workers. Imperial must be held accountable — through public scrutiny, political action, and regulatory oversight. Our leaders must make it clear: if you benefit from Alberta’s resources, you must also invest in Alberta’s people.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City]

3-
To Whom It May Concern,

I am requesting that the Alberta Energy Regulator and related oversight bodies review Imperial Oil’s recent decision to offshore large portions of its Calgary workforce. These job cuts raise serious concerns about the company’s ability to maintain adequate local oversight, environmental monitoring, and compliance at its oil sands operations.

Given Imperial’s history of environmental violations and the importance of Alberta jobs tied to resource development, we need transparency on how these workforce changes affect safety, compliance, and community obligations.

I urge you to require Imperial to disclose the scale of offshoring and to assess its impact on operational accountability in Alberta.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[Your City]

30 years ago, when they moved factory jobs to Asia, you said “none of my business, let those low-skilled jobs go.”
15 years ago, when they moved office jobs to Argentina, you said “none of my business, I have an engineering degree from MIT.”
Today, when they move engineering jobs to India, what you have to say?
You need to act! Don’t let those white males use things like DEI and climate hoax to distract you, and in 10 years, US will have no jobs!

This is what they hope / think / expect may happen - extreme (they use that word, yes) offshoring and near-shoring (to the East and to the South, respectively):

"Such a rush could lead to "extreme offshoring" in some cases, said Ramkumar Ramamoorthy, a former managing director of Cognizant India, adding that the COVID-19 pandemic had shown key tech tasks could be done from anywhere."

"If Trump's visa curbs go unchallenged, industry experts expect US firms to shift high-end work tied to AI, product development, cybersecurity, and analytics to their India GCCs, choosing to keep strategic functions in-house over outsourcing."

"Either more roles will move to India, or corporations will near-shore them to Mexico or Colombia. Canada could also take advantage," said the India head of a retail GCC."

"While the $283-billion IT industry that contributes nearly 8% of India's GDP may feel the strain, surging demand for GCC services could cushion such a blow, however."

"Lost revenues from H-1B visa reliant businesses could be somewhat supplanted by higher services exports through GCCs, as US-based firms look to bypass immigration restrictions to outsource talent," Nomura analysts said in a research note last week."

More in the article: https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/us-firms-to-consider-shifting-work-to-india-as-trump-hikes-h1-b-visa-fee-9369365

Jensen ("it's too high", poor Jensen): https://www.businessinsider.com/jensen-huang-nvidia-trump-100k-h1b-visa-price-high-immigration-2025-9

What if the NYT covers how Americans have been losing their jobs instead?: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/29/business/india-h1b-visa-trump.html

Same with this outlet: https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-h1b-visa-fee-brain-drain-rcna234471

This is Bee Ees, Canadians and Germans have been complaining about them losing their jobs to foreigners, but poor foreigners, hey: "But now, for many, it’s simply not worth it. An Indian computer science graduate in Texas told Reuters: “I’ll move to Canada or Europe — anywhere that actually wants us.” And other countries do want them: China, Germany and other nations are rolling out new incentives to scoop up the same talent the U.S. is now pushing away."

The unemployment lines in Canada are getting longer and longer. In Germany, unemployment hits 14-year high. For example: https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2025-09-30/german-unemployment-rises-more-than-expected-in-september

My entire point is that media outlets don't inform, they push narratives and we need to be skeptical and do our homework (everyone, regardless of pol it i cal leaning).

The Halting International Relocation of Employment (HIRE) Act was introduced in the Senate on September 5, 2025, by Senator Bernie Moreno (R-Ohio). The bill seeks to tackle the offshoring of U.S. jobs by creating significant financial disincentives for companies that hire foreign workers for services ultimately benefiting U.S. consumers.