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RTO changes coming our way?

Since we follow the lead set by the big banks, is this next for us?

“Bank of America changes up work-from-home policy for all hybrid employees.

Bank of America is enforcing a new post-COVID policy where hybrid-eligible employees are no longer allowed to work remotely on back-to-back days, the Charlotte-based financial giant confirmed Wednesday.

This means Bank of America employees will still have flexibility with three days in the office and two days working from home, but remote days cannot fall on consecutive days, such as Thursday and Friday or Monday and Tuesday.“


Make this make sense

Forged Fiber is hiring for remote positions. AT&T’s own careers site currently shows remote and virtual openings.

So apparently remote work is good enough for some parts of the company, but the rest of us need to be in the office five days a week.

Same company. Same technology. Same Teams calls. Same internet. Yet two completely different sets of rules.

I guess they finally figured out that telling candidates they have to report to an office five days a week isn’t exactly a great way to attract talent. But somehow the employees already here are still being told that five-day RTO is essential.

If a job can be done remotely when you’re trying to hire someone, why can’t it be done remotely after you’ve hired them?

This is exactly why people don’t buy the BS argument that 5x RTO is about productivity. It’s a policy choice.

And apparently even AT&T knows when it needs to make a different choice to get the talent it wants. This place is really a joke.


Where is post on virtuals getting notices?

It is mid week now. Where is the post on virtuals getting notices to relocate to Dallas? It seems every week this insider has so much information about virtuals and the schedule for the follow the work letters.

Have the notices stopped going out to virtuals? Or are all virtuals gone? Or has the guy perpetuating this claim left the business?


MEETING IN 15 MINUTES

I honestly don’t know what to expect at this point. Centene has been great to me, and I can genuinely say that working remotely here has given me the absolute best work/life balance I’ve ever had with a company.

I’ve been able to raise my twins, be present for them, and navigate motherhood without a large village of support, while still making sure my career and work remained a priority. That kind of flexibility has meant more to me than I can really put into words.

If this is it and it’s time for me to move on, I’ll walk away perfectly fine. I’ll always be grateful for what Centene has allowed me to do, not just professionally, but personally. Whatever happens next, I know I’ll be okay. ❤️


Wilmington Closure

So finally the company got the ba--s to be honest and broke the news Wilmington office IS closing June 2027. But the kicker is they are saying everyone “left” would be working remotely. I just don’t see that being true after all they just FIRED tons of people for working remote and some just because of downsizing. I feel in 10 months we will all be told to go home and leave the equipment right here as in HUGE LAY OFF. This su-ks!!!!!


RTO enforcement

Since RTO has now been in effect for over six months, it feels like that has been long enough for a second round of hand slaps for people who are not adhering like what happened earlier in spring. Have any managers had employees flagged for not coming in enough? Just curious what the current tolerance level is.

(And, just to put it out there, if anyone is ready to pipe up that I, or others, don’t want to work, like the majority of forks opposed to RTO, I am much more productive at home and we’ll never see the value of commuting to sit on zoom calls all day with 95% of my colleagues who are still remote. So please just save your feeble little fingers the effort of typing out a response and scroll on by. K, thx!)


How Do You Report People Discussing RTO on a Layoff Site?

Someone is abusing the original goal of this site by constantly discussing RTO and tracking data.

If you got a job and worried about RTO, then maybe LinkedIn and Reddit is where you should be. To keep discussing RTO here is ridiculous while people worried about overall job security.


Are virtuals getting an unfair pickleball advantage?

This issue needs to be addressed before the new AT&T headquarters in Plano opens.

The Plano campus will have pickleball courts, which means employees may soon be competing against one another on a regular basis. However, virtual employees already have a major advantage: they do not have to spend up to two hours each day commuting to and from the Dallas headquarters.

While the rest of us are sitting in traffic, virtual employees could be using that time to practice their serves, improve their game, and prepare for the Plano courts. By the time the new headquarters opens, employees who have been commuting may be years behind in pickleball development.

This creates a serious fairness issue. The Plano pickleball courts should be a level playing field, but that will not be possible if one group has had significantly more time to practice simply because of where they work.

Leadership needs to act now, before the competitive gap becomes impossible to close. I am requesting that virtual employees return to the office so everyone has the same commuting obligations and the same opportunity to prepare.

We cannot wait until the first Plano pickleball tournament to realize that this problem should have been handled sooner. The integrity of AT&T pickleball is at stake and the time to act is now before it is too late.


Question for those who were approved for VSP but don’t have another job lined up

I know some of you were already probably on the edge of retirement so this is not for you.

My questions are for those who cannot yet retire. I’m genuinely curious as these are the things that stopped me from even opening the VSP email.

Do you have another job lined up? If not, why would you take it? How long do you think it will take you to get another job? Are you okay with it not being remote?

How do you feel regarding the fact that the amount you’re shown will be taxed? How long do you think it will last?

I know some days my job can be frustrating but I love it. Outside of a few people who don’t pull their weight, overall it’s really not that bad. I have great leadership and a good team and overall a wonderful department in which my team is a part of. I am paid pretty good for what I do. There is never a boring day. I’ve got over 13 years of knowledge and experience and yet still I learn new things. And I get to do it all at home.

Why on earth would you want to leave? I really want to know. There are some people leaving with VSP I am happy that took it because I don’t have to hold their hand anymore, but others, I am somewhat surprised learning they will voluntarily leave but even more taken aback that some of them don’t have anything else lined up. I don’t know some of them well enough to ask this because I am not close to them and feel like asking is inappropriate.

So, I’m asking it here to those who will maybe answer because I don’t want to be unemployed in this economy. If they want me gone, I’m gonna make them do it to me. No way am I volunteering myself.


It’s not 1997 anymore

This entire argument reads like it was written by someone who still thinks the internet is a fad. It’s not 1997 anymore. Knowledge workers don’t collaborate by walking over to a cubicle. They collaborate across states, countries, and time zones every single day.

It’s fascinating how some leaders still talk about remote work like we’re trying to connect through dial-up and fax machines. We’ve spent years proving that distributed teams can deliver complex work, and somehow we’re still pretending physical proximity is the secret ingredient.

Apparently we’re expected to believe that sitting 20 feet apart magically produces innovation, while sitting 200 miles apart somehow destroys it. Funny…the technology industry seems to have missed that memo.

By this logic, Microsoft Teams has apparently been a very expensive mistake. Someone should probably let Microsoft know their entire business model only works if everyone sits in the same building. 🙃


Remote friendly companies?

Since this is a layoff-focused community, it would be really helpful if people could share companies they’ve found to be remote friendly or that don’t limit hiring based on geographic location. I think that information could benefit a lot of us. It doesn’t have to just be banks or financial services.

I’ve been with the bank 15 years and I used to love it so much that I was hoping to retire here but not anymore.


Remote employees, got a problem being forced to go to hub? Talk to your manager

GK: Remote employees are grandfathered in and we do not have mass layoff.

Lowly employees : But I was just told I either move 2,000 miles to MN or get laid off.

GK: Each department head make their own decisions whether to eliminate remote employees, MC do not have a requirement to eliminate remote employee, we give our department head the discretion.

Lowly employees: you lying #$%$}&%&#&&#&#&}

Gk: Also, if you are unable with your raise and bonus, talk to your manager, we allow our manager discretion for compensation adjustments.

Lowly employees: you lying piece of%%)$^&&&@@

See how smart she is, she’s not lying to us…we just didn’t read the fine print and we didn’t make enough friends.

Good thing she is happy to help us leave USBank, actively encouraging us to leave


If remote employees are grandfathered, then why did my department lose all remote employees?

Last year, all of the remote employees in my department were told they need to move to OH or MN , if they decide not to relocate, they were given severance.

They also were not given option to move to hub that were close to home such as in AZ or TX.

We replaced all the remote employees by hiring in OH and MN.

Also recently, I talked to people in another department and they were told remote was no longer available, move to hub or get severance.

So GK was right when she said remote was grandfathered, meaning you aren’t getting fired.

What she didn’t tell you was, to keep your job, you need to move to a hub.
Being in office is not good enough, must be in one of the hub


MN RTO bemoaners: If you don't want to go to the office, quit.

Sick of all the complaining about RTO as though it's somehow outrageous for a company to ask employees to work the way they were originally hired to work.

Companies are generally entitled to make reasonable changes to how work is performed. They can reasonably change your responsibilities, raise performance expectations, require compliance with workplace policies, and require employees to work from the office if that's what they believe is best for the business.

You don't have to agree with that philosophy, and it's perfectly reasonable to prefer remote work. But framing every RTO decision as the product of greedy executives or some malicious agenda ignores the fact that businesses make these decisions for a variety of reasons. Most companies would rather adopt policies that are popular with employees. When they see that a particular arrangement isn't delivering the results they expected -or isn't worth the cost- they change course.

In MN's case, employees are relatively expensive compared with many other locations. One of the main reasons those roles were based in MN was proximity to the company's headquarters and leadership. If employees are rarely in the office, that advantage is essentially gone. At that point, it's fair to ask why the company should continue paying MN labor costs instead of hiring elsewhere.

You may disagree with the decision, but it's not irrational. It's a business judgment about cost, collaboration, and the purpose of maintaining a headquarters workforce.

If in-office work is a condition of employment, your choices are to accept it, negotiate, or find another job. You'll be happier than complaining on here constantly.

That's not cruelty-it's how employment works.


U.S. Bank CEO Gunjan Kedia announced remote employees are grandfathered in during today's All Company Townhall!

While the bank is seemingly pursuing a direction where employees must return to an office for 60%+ of their time, during today's All Company Townhall CEO Gunjan Kedia announced that remote employees are "grandfathered in". It is unclear the extent of this decision from the leader of the 5th largest bank in the country, and whether employees who were remote but have since been forced into an office in conflict with their own wishes will have the option to return to remote work.

Many employees have been speculating that groups within the company will begin forcing remote employees to pick a home hub location or face termination with cause by end of this year. Will this new direction from the CEO help assuage these fears? Kedia very clearly outlined that remote roles are no longer being hired for with the exception of Customer Service representatives, which apparently is cost effective enough for the bank that the Managing Committee couldn't be bothered to upset these employees lives for the sake of their own commercial real estate investments.

Kedia was also proud to note that the bank is continuing to honor remote employees who have a legitimate medical accommodation, but did not note that this is a legal requirement under the ADA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/USbank/comments/1v4lw50/us_bank_ceo_gunjan_kedia_announced_remote/


There she goes again…”we will support you leaving”

Pretty much…if you don’t like it, leave.

I’m working on that, Gunjan, don’t worry.

It’s clear if you are remote or not in one of the main hubs, there is no longer any growth for you. They want you to leave.

So disheartening after years of dedicated work to just feel like I’m being pushed out!


A simple plan to get the company back on track

A Very Simple Plan to Reset AT&T

  1. Cancel the new HQ project and redirect that capital toward the things that actually matter. Use a portion of those savings to fund a responsible workforce transition and right-size the company for the future.

  2. Give employees a choice. Offer virtual status to roles that can be done remotely, and provide location incentives for those who choose to work in-office or whose roles require it. Stop treating every employee the same and start managing based on outcomes.

  3. Get aggressive on debt reduction while prioritizing fiber expansion, network investment, and the technology needed to compete.

  4. Restore trust with employees, rebuild the culture, and focus everyone on winning instead of compliance.

AT&T doesn’t need more buildings, more bureaucracy, or more policies measuring where people sit. It needs a clear strategy, disciplined capital allocation, and a workforce focused on innovation.

The market rewards companies that make hard decisions and invest in the future. Get the strategy right, and the stock will take care of itself.