#vsp

Called VSap hotline to see if I can take maternity leave ( baby will be taken tomorrow due to preeclampsia) they say if I take any type of leave then I forfeit the right to get the VSP, it su-ks because I wasn’t planning to deliver early. I’m sure my position will be cut as well. I’m so sad. It seems so unfair.

Is it drastic or are they similar?

So if one applies for VSP and gets declined. Supposedly they can still lay off that same employee later but now without the additional bonus weeks offered in VSP. Isn't that questionable? A possible law suit? I mean if they deny a significant amount of applicants and then lay them off in August, that would be decent savings for them... somehow this entire situation makes me think of " Attica! Attica!" shouted by Al Pacino in the 1975 film Dog Day Afternoon.....Pacino, playing a desperate bank robber cornered by police, uses the chant to reference the 1971 Attica prison riot. He does this to rally the crowd and turn public sympathy against aggressive police tactics. Can't remember how it worked out for Al. ..

BUCKLE UP -
There is no legal limit on how many times a company can alter a Voluntary Separation Program (VSP) offer before you sign it. An employer can revise, amend, or even cancel the offer entirely anytime prior to your acceptance.However, after you and the company have both signed the agreement, it becomes a binding contract. Neither party can legally change the terms post-signature unless the contract specifically includes a modification clause allowing for it, or both parties mutually agree in writing to an amendment.

I think it's very possible that more people applied than what they anticipated.

imagine if the target was 8,000 eliminations and they received 12,000 applications... but of those 12,000 applications, only 3,000 were on the elimination list. they still need to cut the 5,000... so what do they do? maybe accept 1,000 of the VSPs and still have to cut 4,000...

now for those 8,000 VSP applications they have to reject? that's a LOT of pi---d off people who will probably be looking to leave. now they have to figure out how to retain those employees.

and for those 4,000 being cut... they will be upset too.

that is probably the clusterf*ck they have gotten themselves into.

July is about to be a headache for everyone.

Anyone have an idea of what the severance is looking like post merger. Senior leader hinted to our group 2 months ago it would be comparable to VSP and details would come out shortly. We have heard nothing since. Alex Taylor stated we would be proud of how they handled this merger and all they have done is kept us in the dark and guessing.

Has anyone been removed from their team and put on temporary assignment with no team or supervisor to report to since the VSP came out? Curious if people that have were already slated to be cut loose. Seems odd they would restructure before the VSPs are approved or denied.

How’s everyone feeling about the VSP? Especially Medicaid products and people in service coordination. Just curious because I see a lot of people posting from other states but not much, if any, for Texas.

I have my baby next week, I want to take maternity leave.. I’m not sure how if I should use my PTO days or take the full maternity leave. I don’t want be stressed or out of the loop regarding VSP ( I did apply) .. will me taking leave now effect that? Could I be fired or laid off while on it. My 8 weeks will have me coming back around the first of September.!

Hey! I’m an RN in UM and initially I was going to take the VSP and just get the he-l out of there with all the crazy stuff that’s been happening the last few years. It’s not the company I initially signed up for. Then I started reading about VSP’s and the different tax issues and wondered if they would even pay us that amount, worrying about acceptance etc. So I backed out and declined it. today’s email definitely came out of left field and now I’m thinking I should just take the damn VSP. The clock is ticking and I’m on the fence. My concerns are that if you don’t take the VSP and are one of the employees that are left behind the workload is going to be nuts – with all the crazy new changes and lack of staff it’s gonna be worse than it’s ever been.Anyone else going back and forth on this at the midnight hour? Thanks for listening and good luck to all of you! 💗

The application deadline is still July 2 even though the other date changed from July 15 to the 27th.
The clause "we strongly suggest you apply for the VSP only if you want to leave Centene" with the hope that people will change their yes to a no? I mean are there really people applying that want to stay? The point of saying yes is to leave isn't it?
I'm so confused.

why won’t they just tell us how many people need to be cut??

would it be that terrible for us to know? I would have felt better knowing instead of doing mental gymnastics before choosing to apply for the VSP.

“we have the tough conversations.”

B*TCH SAY WHAT YOU NEED TO SAY.

I’m so irritated by how this is being handled. IRRITATED AF.

DO NOT WITHDRAW YOUR VSP APPLICATION!

do not let this email pressure you into changing your mind. it’s time for them to put their money where their mouth is.

a Senior Leader advised they were looking to cut 20% of the total workforce. they received too many VSP applications and didn’t budget for this. they budgeted for some VSP and majority involuntary layoffs.

July will be an anxious month, but remember to breathe!

Does anyone else feel like Centene is shifting its narrative internally? The recent Townhall seemed to downplay the Voluntary Separation Program (VSP)—almost like it’s no big deal. Now, we receive an email suggesting we should only proceed if we genuinely want to and offering a chance to retract our acceptance. What’s going on here? I’m really confused. This adds to the uncertainty, especially with the ongoing discussions about impending layoffs and restructuring. It feels incredibly contradictory.

As C-Suite gals, you would think they would align on messaging. Perhaps Tanya's communication team did not check on the spin from Sarah's heartfelt video. Perhaps they hoped us One CenTeamer's did not pick up on the "change in tone" and call BS! Stay tuned fellow VSP candidates. Will wait for the next episode of The Housewives of Centene C-Suites to see what they have in store for their valued employees.

Most of the people think the delay is because too many people accepted the offer, but what if it's the opposite? What if they need the extra time to decide how to handle involuntary layoffs? Or am I just being paranoid?

I think they f*cked around and found out that a large majority of their workforce applied for the VSP lmaooooooo.

I could be wrong, but if they would just tell us the PERCENTAGE of the workforce being laid off, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

“this program is intended”… f*ck intentions at this point. “if you want to leave Centene”… I had no plans to leave Centene, but here I am with an application to BOUNCE!

these cost savings will not go to promotions and raises that are well deserved. it is CRYSTAL CLEAR work loads will increase.

absolutely not.

I think they are trying to see just how many of us will quit so they don’t have to pay out anything. Went from July 15 to July 29 and last day from September 1 to September 4 or possibly even later than that. What the he-l???

c’mon…

do you think this means the volume applications is high? are they just f*cking with us now?

what are y’all’s thoughts now with the VSP email that just came out?

I think this a strong indicator the application will be approved.

There is a perfect storm brewing. Leaders have been in rooms in Mission simplify with what I heard are over 1500+ initiatives for next year. We are cutting our workforce significantly either voluntarily or involuntarily. There will be so much more visibility and scrutiny on those initiatives than every before and they will forget Sep 2nd we just lost a good portion of our team. Those of us left are going to have to make those happen while likely losing SME's during VSP and ISP losses.

With 24 hours left to decide this is front of mind.

What level of pain do you anticipate your PL will inflict upon you after your VSP is denied?

I honestly cannot tell if this site is helping me or stressing me out more! I am taking this VSP but stressed my PL will deny it. So until July 15th and we all know for sure, I don’t think I will be able to breathe.

Is anyone else feeling super anxious after accepting the VSP? I know it's ultimately the best choice for my wellbeing, but the decision still feels incredibly stressful as the 7/2 deadline approaches. I'd love to hear from others navigating this!

This is stressing me out a lot more than I would like it to. :/ If you apply for jobs that are hiring now, they won't want to wait until September. I see two options:
1- You get a job offer now, take it and loose out on the severance pay.
2- Decline job offers and risk not being able to get a job when the time comes but get the severance pay. (Assuming your VSP is accepted and everything with metrics goes smoothly in order to get the VSP..)
I wish they would just let me go now because there's so much of not knowing it's torture. I can't shake the feeling that they're gonna fire people for any reason they can so they don't have to give the VSP. But I've never been at a company that was doing layoffs and felt my job was at risk, so maybe I'm being dramatic.

I am submitting my VSP today. Nobody is doing anything...leadership out constantly... its joe over. I might be on a generational run right now though... I was lucky and have a final interview for role outside of healthcare... I wont get into the specifics, but I do feel very confident based on all available information, and conversations with the hiring manager. No, its not iron clad, but its enough for me to take the leap and leave. Since I haven't had a bonus the entire time I have worked here.... the VSP would be nice. However, they really don't want anyone to actually be able to take it though. It takes a very particular situation to benefit from the VSP based on all of the restrictions. There is nothing HUMAN about executive's behavior. The lies. The condescending rhetoric. The "transformations." Its bogus and I am over it. I wish everyone the best of luck, truly.

Does anyone know of Centene employees who were declined for VSP? Still trying to figure out what I’m going to do.

I just read that the Office of Personnel Management (federal government) sent VSP's to their health insurance sector yesterday. The whole system might collapse. This is no good.

Those that applied for the VSP, did you receive any confirmation email after applying?

One of the criteria of the VSP is your age and number of years of service must total 60. Seems like they want a lot of tenured retail employees to take the bait. Stay tuned.

what do you think would happen if our VSP application was denied, then we made it through the August cuts and then decided to take medical leave?

if they were to terminate your employment during that point, do you think there would be a case if there’s proof of denying the VSP?

I have a feeling I’m going to be held back and blocked from moving internally. I’d like to buy myself some time and I need a mental break.

For UM/PA staff, the IRR testing starts August (?), what happens if someones signs up for VSP but didnt pass? I personally never failed an IRR so dont come for me and leave nasty comments. Just genuinely curious if it holds any weight for people who’s if VSP was approved and about to leave the company anyway. Thoughts?

Just wanting to get your perspectives on this. I still can’t decide!!

My People Leader has not spoken to the team. People Leaders on other teams in different departments have met with their teams as a whole and with individuals. I refuse to believe that the PL don’t know who will be impacted by the future layoffs.

For so many reasons. I actually liked work and thought good company. Worked hard but was ok with that. Now we VSP and your performance doesn’t matter been here 9 years meeting the metric etc great reviews and am now getting the same package as someone who rested on their laurels. So unfair they don’t give a cr-p about us. VSP looks better for them vs layoffs. VSP is u get the extra severance bonus and cobra. Layoff less but maybe just won’t get the extras. Not huge difference. Going with VSP but feeling like I’m signing under duress cuz if we don’t it’s layoffs. The whole thing just su-ks all around

Everyone should ask chatGPT what your take home pay would be in your state after taxes. What I would actually get to keep is almost cut in half after taxes. Makes the VSP offer less appealing.

Based on the language in the VSP offer details, does anyone know if accepting a job offer before your last day with Centene and before you officially sign the VSP agreement will void your eligibility for the VSP and you won't receive your severance payment?

Or should you only officially accept a job offer with another employer after your last day with Centene and after you sign the VSP agreement in September?

Still unsure if I want to sign the VSP. Feeling really unmotivated.

Based on the way the VSP is written, will an unemployment claim be approved? Assuming yes, when should you file the unemployment claim?