#outsourcing

That’s a big number. This is a mix of employeees & contractors.

People wonder why they can’t find jobs in the US, this is why.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/honeywell-expects-record-business-jet-deliveries-over-next-decade-2025-10-14/

Yea! More Outsourcing to India....

Quoting @fx+1k79fcw84

Centralized control is the result of inexperienced leadership, lack of accountability, resources that aren’t qualified, and resources unable to learn and grow because of the revolving door of people coming and going, along with being in a continuous state of re-organizing. Culture is throw bodies at it —- very, very wrong. Speed comes from quality, and quality comes from experience, experience comes from learning … and over arching it all is having people that care. Currently caring about doing things right, calling out what’s broken, what’s not working, what’s costing the company $’s - is very much discouraged because anyone perceived as rocking the boat is somehow ‘bad’. If everyone just follows the party line, things will not turn around. Wholesale changes? Above my pay grade, but leadership inspires, it does not degrade, denigrate, or make high performing individuals that are experts at their jobs feel like sh-t every day as they see the waste, inefficiency, incompetence, and their colleagues discarded like cattle. Is a lot of people that care, but their hands are tied. We can be so much better. Focus on Sport? Awesome… but let’s focus on our Customers, fixing what’s broken, and treating employees like what they are - the single most important resource. How are people going to be inspired when they see 1-2 people laid off from a team that are replaced by 30-40 outsourced resources, that do nothing, fix nothing, and dump their issues on the fewer & fewer resources remaining that can actually get stuff done, understand both Tech & Business, etc. Is like having a soccer team full of stars & journeyman pro’s, and replacing it with your cousin’s brother’s middle school rec squad. Cheaper isn’t better - nor is it ever really cheaper, because is just shifting the work somewhere else.

AI not reliable yet. TCS losing business to GCCs hence layoff -to keep profits high.
Tata group as whole lost its way about a devade ago. Tata Steel high cost steel in country. Tata motots - high cost vehicle. Tata teleocm failure, Tata Retail business - not doin well

Stupid enough to this India teams can do all the work. Good luck

Nokia has an "American" CEO for a purpose. But will TACO use American tax dollars to help Finland? Hope not, since Nokia has outsourced lots of American jobs in wireless telecom, fixed network, and cloud telecom networks to other nations such as China, India, CHINA (repeated for a reason), Poland, Hungry, Portugal, France, Canada, Mexico, etc. And decreased drastically the tens of thousands of employees they once had in USA. Also, major customers such as AT&T and Verizon kicked Nokia out of it's 5G network. And now they want to talk about working together on quantum and 6G after giving away the 4G and 5G technology to China (with China's 51% ownership of Nokia Shanghai Bell). Nokia is now begging the US gov't for partnership only because China has decreased it's business with Nokia drastically over the past several years. If China was still giving Nokia business and expanding in China, would Nokia have even hired an American CEO? By the way, Nokia told Trump it has 7000 employees in US, but they forgot to mention that 1/3 are on foreign work visa in every single business group including many in research. That amounts to ONLY about 5000 or less "American" employees.

IT has so many departments and similar functions. IT is a service, why not eliminate most of them by contractors and real IT companies. So many IT workers looking for work with AI so the pay and market availability is now a great time to lower our cost.

1. Cost Savings
2. Access to Expertise and Technology
3. Focus on Core Business
4. Scalability and Flexibility
   5 24/7 Support and Reliability
5. Risk Management

Keep the chemical engineers and people in the field paid well. They are out in refineries and terminals in harsh conditions. Why pay them the same?
Most of them are useless and over paid and couldn’t get another job in the market.
John Deere man look into IT please!!!!!!
So many Losers!!!!

To make America great again!

As of yesterday, Emerson has outsourced all user IT support services to a third-party company based in India.

We've already had 2 departments completely outsourced that I know of and sounds like they are seeing what else can be.

Just got the email that the responsibilities of my team are being transitioned to NB and we are expected to facilitate that transition. When discussed with our manager, the focus of the conversion was only on how we can help the NB team come up to speed. When questioned about the future of our team, we were met with a vague response that can be summarized as "just wait and see". Not looking good...

I work in ontap engineering.

Should have been using EPC firms in place of TES decades ago.

This week a big group heads to India including Penny, a few ELT and OC, Operations, and Digital. 30 GPs and directors will be touring cities in India to make a decision on where the Edward Jones Flag will be placed in India. This is the next round of Enterprise Reimagined they told us about called Sourcing and Shoring which means outsourcing more US jobs to India. Get ready all, you are not safe and this next phase of ER will be way bigger in job lose then anything we just went through. Another few hundred jobs will be eliminted and moved to India in 2026 and will be higher in 2027.

All software and IT teams who are more contractually required to be US based will be required to be at 70 pct offshore. No rehired in US until achieved and R required otherwise.

The new CEO, that's not change. It is the continuation of a plan. If l have seen this and lived it.

Meatball did the job that Blackrock commanded. He hollowed out the company, and outsourced much of it. The only thing not yet completed it the conversion of direct store to the Big 6 indirects. But that is coming.

The Checkmark has lost a lot of ground, and that was intentional. Next will be a massacre of senior managers and higher. Also.maybe a sell off of prepaid.

And then they will sell the cold, dead empty husk of the company to the highest bidders for scrap. We will be the AOL of telecommunications and we will be left to ponder "the good old days" as if we ever had them.

In today’s SETH opening remarks, MW’s finished talking about all the great work underway by saying that “what underpins all of this is our culture and workforce, the very best in our industry, and I wouldn’t trade them for anybody else’s.”

When he said that I immediately thought of all the US employees (the workforce he wouldn’t trade for anybody else) he fired so that he could hire someone into the same job in a different country (so basically traded for someone else)…. Did anyone else hear it that way?

https://www.reddit.com/r/akron/comments/1mr368j/goodyears_new_indian_cio_moving_us_based_tech/

GPC has undertaken a large campaign of offshoring since they hired Naveen Krishna. Eliminating roles based in America for years and only using two contracting companies (TCS + Cognizant) both based in India. The IT dept is now 70% staffed by contractors in India (2500 out of 3500 roles) and over-represented locally by H1b Indians. Locally, the 3100 location that used to be primarily American FTE's is now flooded with Indian contractors. Naveen has kept his direct reports to a homogeneous mix but one level lower you will find gross over-representation of Indians. There are also Perm notice of filings hidden from the public job board.

Who says a CEO’s past track record means anything in a completely different environment? We’ll see soon enough where the new CEO stands on outsourcing or workforce cohesion.

Loffler Takes Over All Xerox Dealers in Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota. (Sales and Service)
https://tonernews.com/forums/topic/loffler-takes-over-all-xerox-dealers-in-nebraska-north-dakota-south-dakota-and-minnesota-sales-and-service/

Walmart needs a really good story to tell at the Q3 earnings call. What better way than to cut more US workers and save a ton of money on salaries! Remember, they have thousands of already approved H1B positions and the obvious closeness between the Indian outsourcers and Walmart leadership pretty much paints the picture of what’s to come.

Like it or not, a lot of work is done by HCL or TCS (maybe others]? What is the view as to if these will stay. because LEX has lots of employees in low-cost countries will work done by third party now just move to them?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/loffler-companies-expands-partnership-with-xerox-to-lead-service-and-sales-coverage-across-the-upper-midwest-302573910.html

"Loffler will take on full responsibility for servicing all existing Xerox direct customers while also assuming sales coverage for SMB clients across Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Minnesota."

Just the start.

Listen up. If you’re looking to get a job with Chevron anywhere, please do not be fooled. Chevron is building their ENGINE facilities in India and has no intention of taking care of their American workers who have built the company.

Hey, I get it… If you need a job, use them to get a job so you can have an income and benefits while you’re looking for another job. Don’t think that they will reward you if you work really hard for the company. That’s not how Chevron operates. Their MO is to use you to produce only until they find someone to do your job cheaper, as evidenced by the recent layoffs. It’s well known that they lay off older workers to cut off their pensions and hire younger workers at lower wages systematically.

Chevron has about $257 billion in assets. Their net profit was 35.465 billion in 2022, 21.369 billion in 2023, 17.661 billion in 2024 and they’re on track for 13.441 billion in 2025. Do you notice the downward trend in profits? That translates into layoffs and offshoring and outsourcing jobs for greater profitability.

Their recent layoffs were particularly brutal for their older workers. People dedicated their lives to the company under the false belief that they would retire with the full pension that they were promised when they started working for them. Your grandfather‘s Chevron is not the current Chevron that exists. As soon as this CEO is done taking his hatchet to Chevron and jumps ship with his golden parachute they will bring in a new CEO with lots of new and bold promises. Don’t fall for it.

Those of us who have been retained at Chevron know that our heads are on the chopping block. We have watched very intelligent, talented, dedicated, and experienced colleagues get laid off via email with the attitude to not let the door hit you in the a$$ on your way out. After 20 years with this company, I was appalled at how they treated my colleague at the end of his career here. No parting words of thanks, no retirement celebration, no words of praise or thanks…a simple kick in the a$$ via email and adios amigo.

PLEASE, if you’re thinking of a career at Chevron, DON’T. If you need a job, use them just long enough to land another job and get out as soon as you can. I’ve done my duty to alert you. If you’re reading this and decide to work for them, when it happens to you, you won’t be able to say that nobody ever told you or that you didn’t see it coming. A word to the wise is sufficient.

Sometimes, the truth is stranger than fiction.

How, such a large group of inept middle and upper management can congregate in one place and conspire to hollow out the will to live of so many valuable employees across the globe, is a miracle to behold.

One bad decision follows another, and another and another. Cutting costs of everything to the point where services cannot be effectively provided to customers, while barking on about what a powerhouse they are and how it's all going to change with the reinvention. Which actually means outsourcing everything to the cheapest bidder and it now not working correctly.

Diversity and inclusion are pushed and sold to employees every day, yet all that is encountered is segregation, exclusion and discrimination unless you are in the club. Speak up for what's right and the ranks are closed and the fairy tales rehearsed with the useless, non-existing support network for employees, who are in management's back pocket.

CEO club is over, and so is your honeymoon.

It layoffs (100 plus) in outsourcing effort to TCS scheduled for announcement October 7th , 2025
No leadership roles will be affected.
Leadership roles actually created and filled from external.
Padded bonuses from Executive to senior leadership will be protected while Long term employees will be removed and/or reduced.

Chevron is beginning to resemble Boeing during its most turbulent years. Leadership has implemented aggressive cost-cutting measures, resulting in significant layoffs and extensive outsourcing—decisions that have compromised both operational stability and long-term innovation. The normalization of constant disruption has led to safety concerns that were previously unheard of, and the workforce is visibly strained, both mentally and emotionally.

Despite this, executive compensation continues to rise, and shareholder returns remain disproportionately high. There appears to be a disconnect between leadership and the realities on the ground. The lessons from Boeing’s missteps—particularly the consequences of extreme cost-cutting—seem to have gone unheeded.

Rather than acknowledging their role in the current state of affairs, leadership is likely to deflect responsibility onto employees. The decisions made by Mike and Mark have had a profound impact on Chevron, and accountability is essential. At a minimum, their compensation should be redirected to support the remaining workforce. Ideally, their resignation would mark the end of what many now refer to as the “Chevron Dark Ages.”

It’s ChatGPT compiled summary, but a good refresher and reminder we can adopt.

1. Knowledge Control & Asymmetry
   • Document selectively: Provide training and documentation, but keep it high-level. Leave out context, dependencies, or nuances only you know.
   • Use tacit knowledge: Emphasize things that require “experience” (judgment calls, historical context, relationships with regulators/vendors). GCC hires can’t easily replicate this.
   • Avoid “one-click transfer”: Break down processes into multiple steps when explaining, making them look more complex.

2. Strategic Friction in Rollouts
   • Ask clarifying questions: In transition meetings, phrase them as risk concerns:
   • “How will GCC handle regulatory nuances in [X country]?”
   • “What’s the fallback if response times slip due to time zone?”
   This slows decisions without looking obstructive.
   • Introduce dependencies: Link tasks to other teams or tools so that “handoffs” look harder.
   • Highlight local compliance: Bring up data residency, export control, union agreements, or contractual obligations. These almost always slow offshoring.

3. Delay Through “Support”
   • Over-offer help: Volunteer to be the bridge/trainer. This keeps you in the loop and drags timelines (“transition can’t close until full training is done”).
   • Pace knowledge transfer: Train slowly, highlight “complexities,” extend timelines by needing “extra validation.”
   • Audit their output: Position yourself as QC for GCC work. This makes you gatekeeper of quality and creates rework cycles.

1. Expose Hidden Costs (Quietly)
   • Track errors: Maintain a private log of GCC mistakes, delays, and escalations. Present data neutrally, never emotionally.
   • Escalate risk neutrally: Instead of “GCC can’t do this,” say:
   • “We saw 30% rework rate—might suggest a phased approach instead of full shift.”
   • Highlight stakeholder pushback: Collect subtle dissatisfaction from clients/customers, frame as “feedback.”

2. Protect Your Position
   • Brand yourself as irreplaceable: Be the person who knows the workarounds when GCC fails.
   • Shift to cross-functional roles: Move into strategy, supplier relations, or customer-facing projects—roles harder to offshore.
   • Stay visible to leadership: Share concise insights or risk notes with senior managers, so they see you as thoughtful, not resistant.

3. Long-Game Career Hedge
   • Upskill in automation/AI: Many GCCs are execution shops, not innovation hubs. Becoming the automation SME makes you future-proof.
   • Build network outside: Quietly explore trading, analytics, or industrial strategy roles—industries less prone to full-scale offshoring.
   • Stay neutral in tone: Never sound anti-GCC in writing; instead, frame everything as “risk management” or “ensuring smooth transition.”

KM4 roles. Outsourcing

Unsure of the validity of the information. A worker of 7 years reached out to notify today was their last day and they would be turning in company equipment. Noted that the L2s in transportation management warehousing is affected. Intent to hire external L1s for less pay, same job.

As I was about to post, a second reached out stating the same.

I didn’t get laid off. That’s my crime.

I’m still here in Bangalore — bleary-eyed at 2 a.m., staring into the blue glow of another Zoom call. The Americans on mute, the managers on script, the executives smiling from Spring, Texas, while delivering the latest sermon: “This is not a layoff. This is transformation.”

And I nod along. Because nodding is safer than questioning. Survival in this machine doesn’t mean performing well, or collaborating, or innovating. It means parroting the story exactly as it’s handed down. No edits. No hesitation. Clap when they clap. Smile when they smile. Pretend the slogans mean something when we all know they don’t.

On the anonymous forums, I read the curses: “Damn Indians.” “They took our jobs.” “Outsourcing ki-led us.”
And in that moment, I become the villain. Not an engineer, not a human, not a man with a family. Just a placeholder: cheap labor, offshore body, the thief in someone else’s story.

But here’s the punchline: I didn’t ki-l anyone’s job. Neither did the guy three floors above me or the coder across town pulling a night shift with chai and instant noodles. The true executioners sit higher up. Senior management writes the script. Middle management enforces it.

Middle managers — ah, the great priests of ExxonMobil. They don’t believe in the gospel, but they chant it anyway. They gather us in Zoom town halls and deliver the holy lines:
• “This is about efficiency.”
• “This is how we stay competitive.”
• “We must all align with leadership messaging.”

Then they turn off their cameras, go back to their spreadsheets, and quietly decide which “asset” is expendable.

And the rest of us clap. Because clapping is mandatory.

The truth is uglier than the curses: Americans blame Indians. Indians blame themselves. But the real game is higher. We are not colleagues anymore, just chess pieces moved to satisfy a curve, a cost target, a shareholder’s smile.

So yes, blame me if you must. Curse me for still having a job. But know this: tomorrow it might be some place else. Or an algorithm. The villain will always be whoever management points to, as long as the real architects stay untouched.

ExxonMobil says: Energy Lives Here.
But after this round of
sermons, we all know the translation:
Truth does not. Empathy does not. Only messaging does.

Nothing will change with layoffs and outsourcing to low cost/low skill sites unless…

1. Stock price suffers
2. Government intervention
3. Major incident, eg. Valdez, Texas City ….

Don’t expect anything more from our selfish, self gratifying leadership.

75% of IT needs to be outsourced to Romania, the Phillipines or India. Will save $20M per year. Farm out RDI WD40 call center to Manila, and another $10M is saved.

lesser emphasis? more emphasis on in house manufacturing?

Pacific Rail Service, is a intermodal contractor that's bringing their locomotives on the property to have their Scabby H6 employees switch the ramps and yard like East LA.

Let the Mexicans run across the border with trains at Eagle Pass, and they end up in East LA and California.

Through some quick and easy google searching I found out the average salary for folks working at the BTC (where SO many jobs recently were outsourced to and where the majority of the latest layoff announcement jobs will be going to) is about $30,000 CAD with high earners making 50k and new hires and trainees making 10k ... annually.

So for every person in the office in St John's being let go that is for sure making 100k + they are getting 5-10 people to take over for them in Bengaluru. From a business decision it's a no brainer to get 10x the productivity from the same investment. But....once again it's just another big corporation prioritizing shareholders and stock price over people....then sending out emails saying our people are our biggest asset just to rub salt in the wound.

What are your thoughts?

It feels like an exercise to see who would be willing to support after they've outsourced almost everything. Take the few that are willing (or if there are extras, the top picks in their mind) and distribute them into the roles they envision moving forward. My guess is those roles will be 1) supporting site operations day to day; i.e. contractor management, permiting, etc. 2) oversight of the outsourcing. Keeping them "accountable". 3) roles they legally can't get rid of; so they'll keep the bare minimum.

Anyone else have a different read or theory?

The People of Alberta own the Oil Sands.
No one is going Edmonton !
Provincial Legislation will be passed within the year to prohibit Outsourcing of jobs that are related to the Oil Sands Industry. So not only will the large majority of the 900 jobs not go to BTC . BTC will lose their jobs which will be brought back to Alberta.
We own the product … Exxon.
You Don’t !
We need Companies that Put Alberta First. Not Companies like yours and Tim Hortons who displace Albertans from their jobs with foreign workers.
So when your Oil Leases come up for renewal, your Camp permits require approval don’t think they can’t be rejected.
Like you rejected 900 Albertans and their families.

Was there an announcement I miss? Or is it just speculation?