#ageism

Hey, forcing people back to push attrition. Using policies that will disproportionately affect older workers and primary caregivers. All while pi----g off in demand people that can leave if they have a chance. What could go wrong? 8 is great.

The writing is on the wall. Pips are getting harder to pass. Employees in thier 40s and 50s are being pushed out. It's a huge toliet bowl that is on constant flush. I along with others are having our work outsourced. Most of the work is going to india and we just review it. We are all being systematically pushed out. All work groups are being gutted. I feel sorry for the new hires that are told the lies about a job for life. They are not told of the constant piping and cutthroat ranking system.
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This is the gist of it. How it will all play out for regions or orgs, doesn’t really matter.

Speaking from my experience: Ansys is an old giant with employees that have been around since the beginning with no desire to leave. What do these employees do? Not much. These 'experts' have enjoyed a really comfortable job for decades, while blocking the careers of younger talent. A decent paycheck with health insurance keeps a lot of these boomers secure. They are not current with new tech and tools, but still hold power in decisions. If there is anything positive that can come from these layoffs would be a purge of these folk.

Train people in India/Engine.” Translation…”here’s your rope, now, go make your noose and when training is complete we’ll meet you at the gallows to hang you.”

This company and its current CEO has NO MORALS. If you’re fooled by the old days when Chevron was a reputable and excellent company to work for listen up! Us old guys can alert you young guys to the dangers that lie ahead. They will cut you off before your official retirement.

Use Chevron to job hop. If you don’t know what that is, learn on TikTok. Use them just long enough (2 or 3 years) to make starter money and get experience, then use that to land your next best job with higher pay….and do that 2 or three times to get your salary up so you can make really good money during your most productive years. Do this while you’re still young enough to get enough years in at a good company that has a history of allowing people to retire and collect a full pension. Chevron now has a pattern of eliminating the old guys once they’ve properly trained their replacements. I know, I was eliminated in their last round of layoffs and now in this latest round I’m watching really good people get eliminated, while they’re too old in a really bad job market in the US, to get rehired. They did it to me and I never got rehired. Retirement doesn’t look for me anything like I had envisioned. DO NOT believe for ONE SECOND that that pension will be paid out to you for a “full retirement.” It’s a carrot dangling on a stick to keep you hopping. Do not give them your best income-producing years believing in that pension!!!!! It’s as disgusting as a man who divorces his wife after their last child turns 18 so he can avoid paying child-support and only have to pay alimony. This is NO DIFFERENT. Don’t be their bi--h.

If you quit by 35 or 40 you can still get part of your pension and you’re young enough to use your Fortune 500 experience to launch into a company that has a better history of allowing it’s pensioners to retire with dignity. Chevron now has a trend of “restructuring/reorganization” every five years to hire cheaper workers and cut off pensions. If you’re over 50 at Chevron you are “in scope” for elimination. One way or another you will be ELIMINATED just like a cockroach.

Almost every single 40 something CL28 I talk to is being told they have executive potential. DO NOT BELIEVE IT! There will be very few promotions to 29+ especially as the company continues to shrink and offshore jobs to the BTC. The company is luring to you because they need you around a little longer while they ramp up the BTC. It is a LIE to keep you working at ExxonMobil until you are older and have fewer options outside the company. By 2030 the truth will become apparent but by that time it will be too late for you to find another job due to age discrimination. Do not believe their lies and do not delay your exit while you are still young enough to find another job and move on. Even a temporary pay reduction is worth it. In a few years you will be making more especially when considering they are planning below inflation raises for the foreseeable future. #Exxodus

Data the Oracle OWBPA (Older Workers Benefit Protection Act) disclosure reveals a steep increase in the layoff rate beginning at age 60 in the DB group. Here are the percentage of people laid off by age group.

Age Band Pct Laid Off
20-24 4%
25-29 10%
30-34 6%
35-39 11%
40-44 8%
45-49 9%
50-54 10%
55-59 10%
60-64 21%
65-69 26%
70-74 34%

U.S. employees should brace for next week’s layoffs. I advise you to get any files you want to keep off of your computer by printing or emailing. Watch for discrimination among the jobs being eliminated by October 1st. Do not sign any documents at the time of layoff until you see an attorney/labor lawyer. I know many of you that will be laid off likely have grounds for a lawsuit based on ageism, gender (females young and old) retaliation, etc. Hold Cenovus accountable for their massive double standards for male vs female employee, and treatment of such during a company downsizing.

The pattern seems obvious they’re purging older workers and this has spanned multiple years now.

It sure seems like they’re really straddling the legal line regarding age discrimination.

It’s obviously difficult to prove from a legal standpoint, but there are so many stories regarding the pattern it’s hard to not see it.

That’s about as solid proof as you’ll ever get that leadership is brain-dead. No wonder we’re circling the drain.

I am 50+ and facing job search issues like anyone my age in this market after the recent layoffs. The H1b law passing perhaps will stop ageism as new grads wont come cheap as they used to

Overheard from a Cisco VP saying this in a family social.

Be ready

Spoke with an old co-worker last week, who got LR'd last year and still does not have replacement job. Really sad, great worker.

I was LR'd years ago, and moved on luckily to much greener pastures.

I was at Cisco a long time, the last two years were Psychological Warfare. Felt I would get LR'd; sure enough eventually did.

Early in career, was a "highly valued" and highly paid, who then, with time morphed into an older male. Great money. The problems indeed began when new "management" took over our BU. It took a year, but there was a dramatic "change" of "philosophies", which also brought more likeminded folks into the BU. Let me just say, languange became a definite much tougher to navigate challenge. Also, many cultural differences.

That is not a popular opinion, but it was reality. Sounds like it still may be reality. Now even more.

I am SO glad I was removed from the sullbhit and moved on. I am also glad it was years ago, and not in today's market. Times are tough. If I was still there, I do not know what I would do, the opportunites are not there.

Many people will most likely not like this post. I am supportive of all peoples, but skill and job abilities were, and appear to continue to be for the mostpart, completely ignored at Cisco.

To the upper management who sanction and condone this pile of sullbhit, I hope you feel truly proud of your accomplishments, mostly of padding your pockets while picking off other workers, and continuing to foster a culture of misery.

if you come across a better opportunity, move on. Your sanity will Thank You.

I was laid off a couple weeks ago. I can still login because of my 60 days. It is a kick in the nuts to see they have already onboarded several consultants to cover our work and then see postings go out for more junior roles on my old team.

It su-ks to be at my age because it is clear they are going after us. They don’t want to pay us what we are worth anymore. Let’s hire inexperienced talent now so we don’t have to pay them.

Dating someone within HR. XOM is actively working to offload personal that are +47 years of age without getting sued or having any class action suits filed….
They are coming for you…they call it getting rid of dead wood 🪵. Or getting rid of stale, pale, and male…SPM

execs came up with a brilliant move... let's cut the people with decades of experience, the ones who stopped the place from collapsing every time a vp brought in their latest tedtalk strategy. cause (obviously) performance has nothing to do with institutional knowledge...... it’s all about how fast you can say synergy on a teams call.

genius - really. this isn’t lazy cost cutting at all.

it’s bold visionary leadership that looks at a spreadsheet and thinks.

wow what if we swap a skilled person over 50 with two new hires who need six months of hand holding and a manager on top. now thats pure efficiency. even better, let's call it innovation, or transformation. just don’t dare call it what it actually is.

dumping the people who actually know what they’re doing so the earnings call feels a little less cringe...

Young adults same age as your kids, with only months to a year of real job experience are hired to do the same job you are, but making more money. It's an insult and a slap in the face!

Some people keep trying to make it an age thing but it’s not. We’re all in the same boat. The divide is between us and the execs who make the calls. They’re playing with our livelihoods while all of us are just trying to get through the week and still have a job at the end of it.

They say they’re eliminating positions, but over the past 16 months, it’s become clear that long-tenured employees—especially those close to 20 years of service and eligible for pensions—are being systematically let go. Higher-paid leaders have also been removed. There seems to be a clear trend of replacing experienced, older employees with younger, less experienced hires who cost less. The current leadership has created a toxic environment, and the company appears to be in decline.

Reaching 50 at EM feels like walking around with a target on your back. Age discrimination is real, and they don’t even try to hide it. Older employees get treated like outdated equipment. The change in how you're treated is literally tangible. It’s a toxic culture, plain and simple.

Chevron was once a great company that valued loyalty, years of service and experience. Your 20+ years of service was looked at as an asset that would be rewarded by a career in which you could choose when to retire with dignity. No longer the case. Under the 'profit right now' short-sighted leadership of Mike Wirth and a phony worthless HR dept, as soon as times got tough they shamelessly let go of their most tenured and loyal employees. Ageism 101. What's left is a batch of fearful, low-morale employees that fully realize how dispensible they are at any given moment. To prospective Chevron employees I say the current state of the company is not worth your time and effort. Look elsewhere where you'll be valued as an asset and not a disposable object at the company's whim.

Thanks, Mr. Wirth for destroying what was once a top workplace filled with content employees. Under your leadership the company is now a shell of its former glory.

Do we stand a shot?

How’s the dumpster fire in Clinton going? How many older employees got targeted for the PIP this year? A truly toxic company with no integrity..

Too many old-timers have been hit. I wonder if there's grounds for an age discrimination suit.

If I make it past this round, I plan to “quiet quit” (do the minimum) next 3-4 years and collect the package next layoff round.

If this is how they treat us … this is what they will get. It’s a very rational decision on my part.

Got laid off Sept 2 in Fusion apps just days from my 25th anniversary.

Why am I only seeing people who've been here for at least a decade but most for almost two posting they were laid off? Has leadership completely given up on trying to hide age discrimination?

I know its been said here many times and I know people do not have enough gumption or unity to do it but the only thing and I mean the only things that brings these useless ba----ds to their knees is a union. It is what they were designed to do. I hate them but I think the time is coming again for them to start gaining traction. The workforce today does not have any say or a fair shot at decent treatment by their employer. I hate it when people on here say go find another job. For most that is not an option because the system has become so rigged and it's all the same scam regardless. Age discrimination, AI screening job applications, DEI, and just all the other barriers they have put up. All the Execs work together in step...the worker just hasn't gotten smart enough to do it in places like SF, AT&T, Chase, etc... Amazon workers are trying and so are Starbucks but face hurdles with the big shots trying to subvert them at every turn. I think if only a handful of people would genuinely approach it with co-workers most would get on board. I know just wishful thinking. It would bring an end to their reign of te---r on the American worker.

I’m nearing 50 and I see how fast people my age get pushed out at Xerox. Friends with years of experience are still out there searching. It is crazy to me how companies just toss aside everything you have learned like it never mattered as soon as you hit a certain age.

Based on what you know so far, do you feel there was age discrimination during the selection of people who are being laid off? If yes, what makes you think so. I know only 4 people who were laid off, 2 are over 40 and 2 are over 50, not sure if this is a pattern but it does not look good, or should I say it does not feel OK. Thoughts.

They are skirting under warn rules and using blatent ageism to lay off more workforce then rehire 2 months after with younger and cheaper

Start applying out now

I am quite surprised by the attitude many young have towards older workers.

1. They know a lot. Maybe different things than you know.
2. Ypu won’t be young forever. How do you want to be treated as you age?
   Old and young should learn from each other.

Longer you stay rustier you become.
And they treat you bad and may let go any day.
Even if you make it to MR75 no benefits and even harder to get out.
Cash out your meager pension on the way out. Better use it to get debt free.
Explore options to buy your own insurance.
Live below your means, get debt free , update your skills, invest in indexed funds and get outta here.

I work at U.S. Bank for 33 years and was forced to retire. Credit card fraud area is a sham they have new management and the new management has taken the department into the ground. They have lost good employees that have either left the bank or retired. All they worry about now is production. They don’t worry about the quality of work since they opened an office in India in Poland. After 33 years of dedicated service to this bank, all I got was a small face of flowers not even a retirement card congratulations or anything. It’s very sad when you’re a dedicated employee and you leave and this is how you’re treated.

Continue to keep your eyes open and resume's ready as SF is a pile of sh-t just like the rest of corporate America. Corporations like SF are slowly and methodically sealing/draining our nation and our way of life's doomed faith.

Return to work mandates to run people off
Cutting benefits and pay, with added unlimited responsibility, you fill all roles!
Reassignments to shi-t departments or jobs, constant bullying
Accountability Cycles and bogus performance improvement plans
Understaffing to reduce expenses and inflate executive bonuses
Horrible training with path to proficiencies that set you up to fail
Woke and DEI- another way to say you are helping under represented groups but actually methodically abusing them and setting them up to fail. Labor abuse is the oldest form of systemic racism in America.
Age Discrimination
New Executive philosophy- you owe us 100% loyal and total sacrifice and we owe you absolutely nothing and will discard you at our convenience.
Constant surveys to target trouble makers and fake talent reviews to decide who is next.
Constant gaslighting, controlling the narrative, Exec propaganda, and constant sleight of hand and lies.
Remember never trust one single thing they tell you, sabotage SF at every turn and tell anyone and everyone you know what kind of trash they people are!

but when he needs someone to run something he hires all the old folks. He brought back Bonnie G out of retirement as a consultant, and has now move Sue J to run the transformation team.

Patterns look strange. It almost feels like the “biggest risks” for employees are:
• Being a woman
• Turning 40+
• Taking maternity leave
• Dealing with serious illness

If that’s what our “business-driven decisions” end up looking like…

is this really a board-approved standard, or just how it played out this time?

I just had a former CDW coworker let me know that the jobs of a few people who were let go in July are now posted on LinkedIn. These were longer-term coworkers who were making a clear and critical impact for CDW who were let go--all of them in their late 40s/early 50s.

And now CDW tries to rehire for those jobs?

I see a lawsuit in CDW's future.

Cisco needs someone who can better manage layoff crisis other than Francine always trying to be a barbie doll all the time

I did not believe it before but I do now. In years past exxon would pip a variety of employees. I saw the old,young,men ,women,minorities and whites equally piped. Exxon took care to have a diversity in the piping. This year I at 54,another at 56,one at 63, another at 61 and last one at 64 years of age were nsied. We were all male one minority and the balance white. No women were nsied in our division. All of our performance issues were due to age,CL and high pay. I can say everyone of us out performed the younger employees in our groups. Well it is working because all the retirement eligible employees are leaving and I have to stay a year till 55. It has never been this apparent that exxon was targeting the old. One thing good about this is at least they did not nsi the vulnerable employees in their 40's. We oldies can afford to leave and will take one for the team. Remember youngsters you will be old one day too. What ever happens to us will someday happen to you so prepare for it. You have been warned.

FYI that leaders now have access to see everyone under them who was eligible for ERP and the status of each eligible person (enrolled, waived, no response). Obviously, this sets up associates age 50 and over for potential bias and age discrimination in the future. There is no good reason to share the names of associates who didn't take the ERP. Terrible HR practices.