#offshoring

AI isn't replacing us, not at this stage, anyway. I just read about a legal firm that filed a court case full of AI hallucinations. This is just a cover for offshoring and old-fashioned cuts while funneling money upward. Look, I'm not saying ignore AI. Learn it, experiment, see what it can do. Some jobs can be automated with deterministic algorithms. Scale helps. But announcing millions of jobs lost? That tells you everything about corporate greed and a broken economy, not some AI apocalypse.

GK wanting us to be a category 2 bank is the real reason for RTO and offshoring more and more.

Buildings give us more assets and offshoring more of a global footprint.

Research to learn more.

Not about collaboration, which we already knew.

Have you actually worked with our contractors lately? They have massively lost capability due to offshoring. They basically just have a bunch of people doing copy and paste from old deliverables without any understanding of what the deliverable is. Very low quality coming out of these HVECs today.

BNY Mellon’s transformation now resembles a tightly coordinated execution of the McKinsey cost reduction playbook, and employees on TheLayoff.com have been documenting the pattern in real time.

What appear to be uncoordinated, isolated decisions — RTO pressure, minimal merit increases, shrinking teams, selective backfilling, and quiet office closures — align directly with the consulting frameworks used to drive sustained operating expense reduction. This is all by design.

The Platform Operating Model (P-O-M) is the structural engine behind this shift. By standardizing processes, consolidating technology, and centralizing work into platform hubs, P-O-M enables organizational delayering, automation, and location strategy at scale. Employees describe this as work being “platformed,” automated, or reassigned to lower cost regions, particularly Pune.

International labor laws also shape the strategy. In the U.S. and U.K., strict notification rules, severance expectations, and WARN Act thresholds make large layoffs expensive and highly visible. In contrast, offshore hubs operate under more flexible labor regimes, allowing faster scaling, easier restructuring, and lower long term cost commitments. This is why employees increasingly observe that even offshore roles are not permanent; as the cost model scales globally, work continues migrating to the lowest cost compliant jurisdiction available.

RTO, low raises, and real estate consolidation are deliberate levers within this model: RTO increases voluntary attrition, minimal wage growth suppresses labor cost inflation, office closures reduce fixed costs and concentrate work in platform hubs.

The TheLayoff.com threads reflect this architecture in motion — “stealth layoffs,” “jobs shifting offshore,” “constant reorganizations,” and “RTO used as a filter” — all consistent with a long horizon, platform driven cost transformation strategy.

They've been offshoring us into oblivion already.

When I first started working in tech many years ago, layoffs were something to be avoided at all costs due to worker impacts. Companies did everything possible to avoid them. I quickly learned the difference between layoffs and reduction in force. It seemed layoffs were temporary and you went back to the same job RIFs meant your job was gone mostly to changes in business versus offshoring. No leaders took joy or reward with either event. Of course, times are different now, but taking pride in how many consecutive quarters you can purge people is still wrong. I hope Charlie get karma for the manner in which he is conducting his CEO actions. God Bless Wells Fargro American workers.

the local poeple seem to carry the place. corporate sounds useless. they point fingers and dont support anyone. that kind of rot spreads fast.

pay is mid. people are ok. i'd say this is not a healty company. it's in decline.

the offshoring happens and jobs are shipped oversas and that means jobs lost/budget cuts. more preasure. less care.

good coworkers can only hide so much. good mid managers can only do so much. if corprate is broken, everything under it gets dragged down.

AI is just the excuse they hide behind, ridiculous as it may sound.

More jobs being sent out. The Job board is crowded. If you have a job I’m sure you are training those out of the country. Rumors flying cuz no one knows what they are doing, which is odd since these are imp. positions? Slow wait times too. Backed up. Anyone in this position? Sorry if you are. Was the divisions changing more about taking jobs and offshoring instead? It doesn’t seem right or people were lied to and it’s gotten so bad. I

Heard big re-org coming to offshore the teams to india

Don't expect anything will ever save your job.

I'm in part of CMS and I hear we are dropping all of our red badges in CR to others in some part of Asia.. Assuming it's India.. They'll be gone by the end of the month.

It's coming by 15th. Affects UHC/Optum Tech. They have already hired a large number of people in India and now laying off US employees.
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Offshoring is what’s been truly destroying us.

Now the count is 30 jobs, 27 of which have openings in the US (also state could be in 10 locations). Jobs in India down to 3. The openings all must have been posted on the Saturday before Easter, and 21 people hired in India on the same day. Yeah, right. I was wondering how these people sleep. Probably soundly. Sociopaths.....

If Serbia's getting hit majorly, then none of us are safe. No shade to Serbians, but they're much cheaper and much easier to keep on. If they're down to cutting even the lower-cost folks, what's going to happen to us in the US? Nothing good that I can think of, that's for sure.

If you haven't taken a look at your org charts lately it might be worth a look. I have noticed a large influx of cases being worked by off-shore contractors so I went to our org charts and sure enough each director now has a ton of off-shore contractors.

Honestly, Oracle’s layoffs weren't even that deep, but they’re definitely still ghosting some projects. Now they’re in this weird spot where they need bodies in Nashville, but they're being cheap and won't shell out $100k for new people, so they’re just recycling H-1B staff to save cash. If you’re a boss there, you’re basically safe from the next round of cuts as long as your team is mostly offshore or visa-heavy. This whole mess is probably just gonna stay the same until October or maybe early next year.

Cyber LOB is going through a major shift the long-term plan for this is to have stateside executives using AI agents to manage everything in automation by the end of the year they plan on having the Cyber LOB be around 41% India staff and under 20% American staff.
For those who have not looked at the CISO LinkedIn page and his executive subordinates then you should know that they haven't fulfilled a position like the ones they are fulfilling now ever in their career let alone for a long period of time what they are good at is producing positive data analytic numbers which is what the CIO Wants.
It's a tough market all around but the executives are looking to generate their own wealth on your backs as they put you out of a job this is why they want everything automation and everything AI because they want to push the buttons to solve the problems and remove you as the middleman.
The reality is you have two choices you can start looking for another job now and hopefully find something that allows you to leave on your terms or you can continue working and hope that they keep you but in doing so you will continuously be psychologically and emotionally abused and groomed to be their push button monkeys who has no real value or thought to the real world.

The unescapable fact is that under the leadership of the CISO the entire CS LOB will have its American workforce drastically dropped by the end of this year thus following the same corporate trends that other tech companies have been doing.

You losing your job is what's going to give the CIO and others bigger paychecks and that's what it's all about it's always been what it's about so continue working those 60 plus hours breaking your back losing your family and your health being psychologically and emotionally abused by your managers in doing so thinking you're going to matter, come Tuesday in the not so distant future you will be laid off if not fired... Not because the color of your skin or because of your performance or anything like that but because you are an American and because Americans cost too much corporations like Wells Fargo are not feeling like you're worth investing in so make sure that you leave on your turns and not theirs

I am sorry. I can only speak for the Tech people at FIS, but I am tired of watching my co-workers get laid off or moved to third party consultants to get laid off without severance. I am tired of wondering if I will have a job next quarter. I am tired of upper management lying to our faces. Those off-shore consultant firms pay their employees not even a quarter of what we make. If they are going to lay me off, it is not going to be to hire someone over seas making a quarter of my salary. What does everyone think?

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BNY Mellon’s significance on this forum is clear: the forum has become a real‑time barometer of employee sentiment, revealing a workforce that perceives the bank’s strategy as dominated by cost‑cutting, stealth layoffs, cultural deterioration, and leadership distrust. The volume, tone, and consistency of posts signal reputational, operational, and talent‑retention risks that BNY cannot ignore.

1. Stealth Layoffs & WARN Avoidance
Numerous posts allege unannounced, rolling layoffs, often tied to:

RTO policy enforcement

Performance review manipulation

Site closures (e.g., Pennington)

Employees repeatedly claim BNY is circumventing WARN Act notifications by staggering terminations and using “performance” as a pretext.

2. Labor Arbitrage as Core Strategy
Threads explicitly describe BNY’s operating model as:
“If someone, somewhere, can do it cheaper, that’s where the work goes.”

Offshoring, contractor freezes, and AI‑driven job elimination are recurring themes.

Employees see this as systemic, not cyclical—a permanent shift in workforce philosophy.

3. Leadership Distrust & Cultural Breakdown
Robin Vince (RV) is a central figure in discussions, often portrayed as:

Detached from employee reality

Focused on cost‑savings and personal compensation

Culture is described as toxic, demoralizing, and psychologically unsafe, with morale at “historic lows.”

4. RTO We-ponization
RTO dashboards, “red periods,” and inconsistent enforcement are cited as:

Tools to push out employees

Methods to avoid severance

Many posts describe RTO as a layoff mechanism, not a business need.

5. Operational Instability
Reports of:

Unresponsive or dysfunctional teams

Leadership churn

Poor communication around relocations and site closures

Employees describe the environment as chaotic and directionless.

What This Means for BNY Mellon

1. Reputational Risk
TheLayoff.com is heavily trafficked by job seekers, analysts, and journalists.
The persistent negativity shapes external perception of BNY as a troubled employer.

2. Talent Flight
High performers openly discuss:

Practicing interviews on company time

Planning exits

Warning others away from applying
This accelerates brain drain and raises replacement costs.

3. Strategic Execution Risk
A demoralized workforce undermines:

AI transformation

Client service

Operational resilience

Regulatory compliance
BNY’s own employees describe the bank as “McKinsey’s magnum opus of misery.”

4. Legal & Regulatory Exposure
Frequent references to:

Wrongful termination

Forced ranking

WARN circumvention

Discriminatory practices
…suggest heightened class‑action and regulatory risk.

Bottom-Line
Discussion on this forum portrays BNY Mellon as an institution in cultural and operational decline, driven by aggressive cost‑cutting, offshoring, and leadership detachment.

For analysts, journalists, and job seekers, the site functions as a candid, unfiltered window into a workforce that feels expendable, unheard, and increasingly hostile toward senior leadership.

This deserves its own thread.

https://realty.economictimes.indiatimes.com/amp/news/commercial/us-bancorp-set-to-establish-major-global-capability-center-in-chennai/129645548

US Bancorp is set to establish its first global capability centre in India, leasing over 650,000 sq ft in Chennai. The banking giant is also exploring additional space in Bengaluru and Hyderabad, signaling a significant expansion of its offshore operations and a strategic move to insource technology and operational capabilities...

The facility is expected to house technology, analytics and back-office operations supporting the bank's global business...

Infosys has been chosen as the supplier to help establish Truist India, the future GCC, and Steve will be Head of GCC Transition & Execution.

When I was hired at USB about 5 years ago I was surprised by the number of people were offshore. Also surprised by the number of employees who were from India or other countries. Didn’t really think much of it until I was the last American born person on my team of 10 and I was the one part of a larger RIF.
Anyone know if the bank is limiting H1B now that their plan is to ramp up the offshoring jobs to India? Anyone know any H1Bs who have been part of a RIF?

The hits keep coming...

https://dallasexpress.com/business-markets/att-wins-146-million-federal-contract-then-lays-off-americans-and-hires-foreign-workers/

They told you you're laid off because of AI, but they didn't tell you their definition of AI = Actually Indians

https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/fcc-wants-crack-down-offshore-call-centers

More layoffs at end of March 2026 after a previous round earlier this year. After being told no more layoffs, thee were apparently still more needed. Approximately 35-40 invited to a conference call and let go effective same day, and many with substantial years of service. I do know of at least 1 other person from another department that was not included in my group, but was laid off, so not really sure just how many were actually laid off company-wide in this round. A reason in the separation paperwork I received was that the company was going to be moving more work offshore - assuming to India like the other jobs offshored in the past. Perhaps not everyone's reason, but that's what my paperwork mentioned.

So many cuts in benefits, so much offshoring, so many layoffs as people are replaced by AI...and we all just keep accepting this as if it's normal. We're well trained, I guess. I just wonder if there's a point when all of us will realize we've had enough and just walk out.

Several on my team received invites for 10am call today - no agenda. Peer was informed a few teams are moving offshore. They are only keeping a few leaders on a few more weeks to shift the work to OGS. WHY is this continuing to happen??? How can so many people keep losing their jobs? The ‘new’ jobs posted online are bogus & aren’t being filled. Don’t waste your time applying. It’s all smoke & mirrors. SMDH

Looks like the US is heading into a collapse over the next decade with the relentless jobs being lost due to H1B visas Ofdshoeing and AI.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we see over 50% of white collar jobs completely gone over the next 5 years.

This is a real SHTF scenario and most people still have their heads up their as--s when it comes to this

Are they going to replace everyone with H1B visas and offshore workers? Whats the gameplan?

Vanguard to hire 2k in India. I know the phrase right now is to "grow the workforce" but we all know what it is. Offshoring so they can get rid of American employees who cost more. And even if nobody gets cut here, to do this when so many people at home need a job is despicable. John Bogle is probably rolling in his grave.

I've worked with some inept clowns, at some inept companies, but I've never seen people so high up in any organisation, who couldn't organise a four year old's birthday party, until now.

You have lost any influence over any staff, aside from the hardcore backside kissing crew, and we all know who they are. It's so bad that people don't even fear being laid off, because they have lived under the constant threat of it for years.

Don't worry though, the cheapest offshore staff, who have no experience or skills will save you, I'm sure.

Let's hope someone does a basic maths qualification before the next quarter's numbers.

Word came down this week in Denver that some NA CS jobs are moving to Toronto or Bogota by end of year. US employees will be onboard until end of year to train the replacements in Toronto/ Bogota. Are any other areas impacted? Product, Tech? How widespread is this happening?

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I'm terrified of losing my job, yet here I am, being reassured daily that being replaced by AI or cheap offshore labor is the best thing that could happen to me.

Is it a good idea to speak on LinkedIn about what employees are going through inside a company while still working there?

I’m currently at Wells Fargo and honestly I hate the way some of us are being treated. I checked job openings on Workday and many of the roles seem to be in India while employees here are worried about their jobs.

Just wondering what others think is it right to speak up about this while still employed?

Is the company leveraging AI to show how much additional work offshoring has caused onshore employees? Is the company suppressing the results to appease shareholders? How much bad manipulation of AI is going on behind the scenes? There are gatekeepers who know what's up. When will the financial regulators compare AI outputs with what's being reported publicly? Especially in the AML area, are people looking the other way?

We know we're being replaced by actual people. As if it matters who or what takes my job. The outcome is the same - I'll be unemployed.